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Re:Is it futile to un-Google? by eps on Saturday September 12, 2015 @10:02AM (#10208096)
> 51% of his emails passed through Google servers

I was playing with an idea of an "off-Google email delivery" for Gmail recipients. Basically they would get a short note saying that a reply to your email is available, please pick it up [here], with a link leading to a TLS'd page on a non-Google server. The same page would offer them an option of replying to the conversation right there if there's a need to do that.

I'm pretty sure this would piss the hell off some Gmail users, but that'd be exactly the point - to make them at least stop and consider that not everyone's a fan of passing all their communications through Google.

Is there anything like this out there?

Re:Is it futile to un-Google? by tsagi on Saturday September 12, 2015 @10:16AM (#10208132)
If you send an encrypted email from protonmail.ch to someone who uses another email provider, he get's a notification email with a link that does just that.

However the recipient should know the password to see and reply to the email.

Re:Is it futile to un-Google? by dreamfactory2 on Saturday September 12, 2015 @10:35AM (#10208197)
sound like linkedin, fb or some other messaging platform and equally annoying. e.g. how do i search those messages or list them in threads and sent?
Re:Is it futile to un-Google? by eps on Saturday September 12, 2015 @10:38AM (#10208203)
You can't. But then why did you assume that I'd be OK with you letting Google to index my replies?
Re:Is it futile to un-Google? by codingdave on Saturday September 12, 2015 @11:06AM (#10208264)
Once you send an email to someone, that content is no longer yours. I understand why you might want it to be. But at its core, email is about sending content to another person, and giving them control of what they can do with that content. Ignoring etiquette, there is nothing stopping them from copying it, forwarding it, printing it, publishing it, etc. Indexing it for their own searches is hardly a bigger step beyond what they can already do with any email provider.
Re:Is it futile to un-Google? by eps on Saturday September 12, 2015 @11:42AM (#10208367)
That was a rhetorical question. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

It was just to show that once you start talking about your own comfort and convenience, it wouldn't hurt to consider if you'd be getting these at the expense of other people. This has nothing to do with etiquette, and pretty much everything with basic egoism. "But how would I search" remark above is a good example of this. One's entitlement for comfortably searching their mail history ends where my entitlement for keeping my replies off Google's radar begins. It always works both ways.

Re:Is it futile to un-Google? by shawn-furyan on Saturday September 12, 2015 @11:36AM (#10208355)
Hmm... I suppose explicitly claiming copyright on your email might keep many people from publishing it, particularly if you put a scary warning next to said claim.

Note: I can't think of any reason you can't do this, but whether or not this practice has real legal bite, it could be effective by creating an air of legal uncertainty.

Re:Is it futile to un-Google? by venomsnake on Saturday September 12, 2015 @11:13AM (#10208295)
Because if you cared about privacy you would have used Enigmail and then no one cares if the encrypted text is stored on the google server.

And if you don't use pgp you are obviously OK with the recipient email provider reading your mail.

Re:Is it futile to un-Google? by aviraldg on Saturday September 12, 2015 @10:10AM (#10208117)
Two can play that game. I would not reply to such an email unless the sender specified some very good reasons for doing so.
Re:Is it futile to un-Google? by eps on Saturday September 12, 2015 @10:13AM (#10208127)
This is primary meant for replying to gmail-originated emails.
Re:Is it futile to un-Google? by nly on Saturday September 12, 2015 @10:24AM (#10208162)
Nothing really stops Google from following the link to get adwords out of you.
Re:Is it futile to un-Google? by eps on Saturday September 12, 2015 @10:32AM (#10208187)
That can be blocked easily enough. It can also be used to explicitly tell recepients that someone/something else read their emails on this date from this address.