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Re:The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gende... by mattmanser on Friday September 11, 2015 @05:10AM (#10202708)
Oh, so the trained soldiers who'd had loads of downtime to work out threw their packs to the top of the wall and the recently recruited green soldiers didn't?

What a surprise...

Seriously, why would they used inexperienced females mixed with experienced males if they didn't want to deliberately skew the result?

They obviously had access to raw recruits, but there's a deeply flawed methodology using experienced men with inexperienced women.

Re:The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gende... by omonra on Friday September 11, 2015 @06:06AM (#10202870)
Can you name one physical activity in which females can compete with males? Are there any gender neutral pro sports leagues?
Re:The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gende... by mattmanser on Friday September 11, 2015 @06:54AM (#10202987)
That's not what I'm arguing at all and it's disingenuous to frame the argument that way.

If they want the requirement to be an effective soldier is to be able to toss a pack of a certain weight to the top of a wall, then make it a training requirement and I'm sure suddenly lots of women would be able to do it.

By framing this discussion as men are stronger than women, you're technically right, but it's a meaningless measure.

The actual question is, can trained women be strong enough? That's what they were trying to simulate but they cheated and stacked the deck against the women. And your statement is meaningless against that measure.

And the other disingenuous part of the 'tests' is that was every man in a squad able to carry a wounded man? Or did the squads just tend to volunteer the strongest person each time which by the laws of average, because men are on average stronger than women, would tend to be a man? So it's another massaged statistic.

Re:The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gende... by omonra on Saturday September 12, 2015 @08:56AM (#10207957)
We disagree on the following issue. You consider that someone can be trained strong 'enough'. Even if that is true (which you have no basis to claim - but we can move on), the point you are missing is that this is a competition against teams.

Therefore we have to consider not whether women can be strong 'enough' but whether women can be equally strong to men (because if they are not going to be equally strong, the team with women on it would lose to all-male team).

That is why the sports analogy is relevant - because the most competent women compete against most competent men. And there is no athletic sport where women stand a chance.

Re:The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gende... by ericedge on Friday September 11, 2015 @06:16AM (#10202900)
Women seem especially well-adapted to the trauma spaceflight inflicts, and have better caloric efficiency, at least according to this NASA study:

https://www.nasa.gov/content/men-women-spaceflight-adaptatio...

Re:The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gende... by omonra on Friday September 11, 2015 @06:35AM (#10202943)
I guess that sounds like justification to send women in space rather than put them in close form combat
Re:The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gende... by DanBC on Friday September 11, 2015 @06:51AM (#10202977)
Your question was whether there are any physical activities where women can compete with men. You were given one example where women outperform men in a physical activity.

Here are more details of women who had less training than men managed to outperform those men in physical activity.

http://history.nasa.gov/printFriendly/flats.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_13

Re:The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gende... by omonra on Saturday September 12, 2015 @09:01AM (#10207962)
1. I fail to see women outperforming men on this test. I see them passing the tests - same as men

2. Even if we assume that they outperformed men on the tests, it does not qualify as 'outperforming men in a physical activity'.

Re:The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gende... by brohee on Friday September 11, 2015 @12:58PM (#10204778)
> Are there any gender neutral pro sports leagues?

Horse riding definitely neutral, so are motorsports.

Possibly others skill based without speed/strength element.

Re:The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gende... by omonra on Saturday September 12, 2015 @09:04AM (#10207969)
Thank you.

Regarding motorsports - I thought there was one woman who competed in US motorsport division (NASCAR) but didn't make it far? Are there any women who win at F1 or whatever?

Re:The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gende... by itsybitsycoder on Friday September 11, 2015 @03:07PM (#10205582)
Skeet shooting, which was mixed in the Olympics until a woman won, after which it was gender segregated. ;)