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Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by IkmoIkmo on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @06:10PM (#10194982)
It's not a complete falsehood but it's a totally empty statement.

Virtually any device you put out that's not exactly, spec-by-spec the same, you can say 'never been a product like this before'. It's true and empty.

They do a lot of those, they're true, hyperbolic, and totally devoid of any significance.

For example they'll say 'the iPhone 6 was the most popular iPhone ... EVER'. As if it's significant. But that's completely unexpected and it's not news, either. I'll happily take a 10 trillion dollar bet that the iPhone 7 will sell even better. And that the new Galaxy S 6 sells better than the 5, and the 7 will sell better than the 6, too.

Or they'll say the iPhone 6S is the most advanced iPhone ... EVER. As if, again, that's news. As if we think they built a 6S that's worse than the 6.

It's a truthful, hyperbolic, totally insignificant statement. It's different from a falsehood.

Calling a 3 second video, a photo, in the sense that it's a bunch of photo frames, that's more of a direct falsehood to me. We use the word photo to denote a still image, and video for multiple frames of photos. But that's a marketing gimmick that's more ridiculous than it is disingenuous.

As for innovation, I mostly agree. The ability to execute extremely well and polish your work isn't innovation. It can be driven by innovations of course but it's not the kind of innovation we talk about when we refer to Apple's history. Since the iPhone 4 I've mostly felt a ton of polish but no real breakthroughs on the phone department for example, tablet wise... mostly just solid iterations like everyone else, nothing fundamentally innovative about the iPad 4 or Air or mini, really. Pro feels like more of the same, split screen we've seen before, styluses we've seen before. Again, executed well and polished.

I mean of course there's innovation, but it's not what sets them apart. Look at Force Touch for example, now 3D touch. People probably missed the fact Huawei demo'd force touch last week on their android phone. And that's a feature we'd think of as their innovation. Others, like a large tablet, split screen, type covers, wireless charging, a stylus, 3-second videos (called live photos) etc are all seen before.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by rdancer on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @07:40PM (#10195363)
Their ability to churn out better and better devices, year after year, is what's remarkable. That we come to expect it, and don't consider it news, is a testament to their achievement. This is not normal; the industry -- both hardware & software -- is plagued with regressions, with many older models or releases that are preferred by the users to newer ones. Apple are truly unique in their ability to deliver improvements, introduce new technologies, and implement existing technologies in ways that are actually usable, while keeping regressions and serious problems low, much lower than the competition.

What's the best Microsoft desktop OS? Which is the best Dell screen? Which is the best keyboard? Motorola phone? The current year's Apple lineup has always been better than the last year's, and that's what the "best ever" statements mean to me, and I believe that's what they mean to the target audience: "This is new, and it works at least as well as the old stuff."

Which other company, which other product line of comparable complexity, introduces features without compromising usability?

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by ux-app on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @09:43PM (#10195747)
> Apple are truly unique in their ability to deliver improvements, introduce new technologies, and implement existing technologies in ways that are actually usable, while keeping regressions and serious problems low, much lower than the competition.

I like Apple products as much as the next guy, but cmon, this is some serious kool-aid drinking here.

Apple doesn't produce software that is any less issue prone than any other vendor. In fact the chorus complaining about software regressions has been getting louder and louder, even from Apple fans.

Yosemite was a particularly low point with regard to Apple software.

http://fieldguide.gizmodo.com/the-worst-bugs-in-os-x-yosemit...

http://www.tekrevue.com/yosemite-bugs-time-for-another-snow-...

Software is hard. Apple aren't special, their software has just as many issues as any other vendor's, which is actually kind of disappointing given they have full control of the hardware, MS actually does a lot better with regard to software quality given the varied HW landscape Windows is deployed to.

Edit: Software quality isn't just a Yosemite issue with Apple, it's a long running joke that you should never install a X.0 OSX release due to bugs.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by ams6110 on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @08:31PM (#10195533)
Well cars get better every year, so do appliances, so does just about every consumer product if you're not talking about Walmart-type "price is all that matters" stuff.

I don't think it's remarkable at all. It would be remarkable if they weren't getting better year after year.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by coldtea on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @06:23PM (#10195056)
>For example they'll say 'the iPhone 6 was the most popular iPhone ... EVER'. As if it's significant. But that's completely unexpected and it's not news, either. I'll happily take a 10 trillion dollar bet that the iPhone 7 will sell even better. And that the new Galaxy S 6 sells better than the 5, and the 7 will sell better than the 6, too.

You understand that sales growth can't last forever right?

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by hkmurakami on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @06:46PM (#10195162)
It's limited by global macroeconomics, which is still raising its ceilings.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by coldtea on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @08:15PM (#10195482)
Actually it's also limited by tons of factors: competition, fashion, etc. People have been announcing the "end" of the iPhone and iPhone killers ever since 2008 (that was BS of course, but it still can happen that some revision, e.g. 6s sells less than the previous).

iPad for example has had that happening to it (later revision sold less well).

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by developer1 on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @11:24PM (#10196012)
iPad is much more niche compared to iPhone. Not everyone wants/needs a consumer device to lounge around with for the price point. Everyone wants a phone. And to people like me, the iPad keyboard is simply unusable in landscape mode. Has this changed? No idea why they insist(ed) on stretching the keyboard across the entire screen instead of leaving half of the keyboard accessible to either side with thumbs. Even if the keyboard has been updated, the larger form factors are just too large and clunky for 2-handed use.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by realityking on Thursday September 10, 2015 @07:48AM (#10197458)
You can tear apart the keyboard in two halves you can use with either thumb. Admittedly a well hidden feature.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by developer1 on Tuesday September 15, 2015 @09:44PM (#10224222)
Hrm, I'll have to try one out with that setting. I have both a MacBook Pro and an iPhone, but being able to watch video on a tablet while lounging around would admittedly be nice. I suspect the device will still be too bulky and heavy to comfortably type on for longer than a minute at a time, even if the keyboard allows for it. I'm always puzzled when I see a photo of someone typing with 2 hands on a tablet while lying down. I can't imagine physically arranging myself in such a way that this is even possible.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by bostonpete on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @07:42PM (#10195369)
Well, at some point it's limited by population...
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by conception on Thursday September 10, 2015 @01:27AM (#10196259)
Not really unless we hit zero population growth world-wide. Otherwise, there will always be more people to buy.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by lotu on Thursday September 10, 2015 @04:43AM (#10196838)
We are likely to hit zero global population grown sometime between 2040 and 2070. It's not around the corner but I hoping to still be alive at that point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projections_of_population_grow...
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by TallGuyShort on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @06:44PM (#10195157)
But as long as it lasts, they can make statements like that while ignoring any other trends that explain the popularity and make their marketing pitch sound more impressive.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by austenallred on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @07:08PM (#10195258)
I mean, the fact that they continue to sell more iPhones than they ever have of each new model says something. A lot of companies' popularity only lasts one or two product cycles.