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Re:Apple Introduces the iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus by amazon_not on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:31PM (#10193771)
Apple is going to make bank by turning into a bank. The installment plan with free upgrades each year is brilliant. The user lock-in is going to be unsurpassed and no competing phone maker has the mountains of cash required to match it.
Re:Apple Introduces the iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus by dave_sullivan on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @04:05PM (#10194149)
Usually not a good sign when a company known for creating innovative real-world products shifts to creating innovative financial products.

Except for Berkshire Hathaway moving from textiles to being Warren Buffet's investment vehicle -- that was a good move...

Re:Apple Introduces the iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus by amazon_not on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @04:23PM (#10194290)
I wouldn't really call an installment plan a very innovative financial product. And it's not like they'll stop making iPhones and focus on financing. It's just a power move to dominate the phone market and cement their lock on customers.
Re:Apple Introduces the iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus by rancur on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @05:00PM (#10194559)
next is iMortgage
Re:Apple Introduces the iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus by easyfrag on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @05:24PM (#10194717)
probably not, this is a good dry run for car financing though
Re:Apple Introduces the iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus by cx201 on Thursday September 10, 2015 @06:16AM (#10197144)
That's actually how Porsche ended up in a position where it had to be 'rescued' (=bought) by Volkswagen during the last financial crisis:

http://priceonomics.com/porsche-the-hedge-fund-that-also-mad...

Re:Apple Introduces the iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus by jwcooper on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @04:39PM (#10194414)
They're not handling the financing. It appears to be going through Citizens Bank, and is an installment loan. [1]

And, if you were hoping to use someone cheap like Cricket instead of Verizon, no such luck there either:

"1. The iPhone Upgrade Program is available to qualified customers only with a valid U.S. personal credit card. Requires a 24-month installment loan with Citizens Bank, N.A. and iPhone activation with a national carrier — AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, or Verizon. "

[1] http://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/iphone-upgrade-program

Re:Apple Introduces the iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus by kozukumi on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:48PM (#10193975)
Yeah that was the biggest thing for me too. We knew what was coming with the iPhone, Apple TV and iPad Pro. That upgrade program is going to be a big thing in my opinion.

One thing I wasn't sure about though was do you own the phone or are you just leasing it? When you upgrade after a year do you have to return your old phone?

Re:Apple Introduces the iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus by amazon_not on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @04:05PM (#10194143)
I can't image them letting you keep the old phone, as you haven't paid full price for it in a year.

EDIT: "Just trade in your current iPhone for a new one, and your new program begins."

Source: http://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/iphone-upgrade-program

Re:Apple Introduces the iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus by knd775 on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @04:13PM (#10194212)
If you upgrade after a year, that seems probable. After the full 24 months, I believe that it would be yours. Don't quote me on this, though.
Re:Apple Introduces the iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus by jonhohle on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @04:39PM (#10194415)
At a $120 premium over a carrier's installment plan.
Re:Apple Introduces the iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus by chipx86 on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @05:54PM (#10194898)
You gain AppleCare+ as a benefit, bringing the price a lot closer. It's also unlocked, which could be nice for some people.

Here's the big difference, though, at least with AT&T's Next: With Next, the "how often can you upgrade" and "how long do you have to pay" are highly mismatched.

The most frequent upgrade plan is once very 12 months ("AT&T Next 12"). To get this, I have to commit to paying 20 months (or ~3.33 years).

If I want to upgrade two years in a row, I've committed to paying 40 months (2 terms of the plan). That at least gets me 3 upgrades in that term. If I want to go for a 4th upgrade, we're now at an overall committed payment term of 5 years.

That's fine if you're doing this long-term, but Apple's appears much simpler: You pay for 2 years. In that time, you get 2 phones.

Verizon's program lets you upgrade "any time" you want, but only once you've paid off the cost of the new phone. Unless you pay a chunk of change early, this means one upgrade every 2 years, just like a contract, compared to Apple's once-a-year.

What I'm not sure about with Apple's is whether you can end your 2 year plan with a second phone, and then terminate and keep the phone. This is what I'd most like to know before considering this further. The Terms and Conditions page doesn't seem to be up yet..

Given that the upgrade is once every 12 months, timing also seems important. I'd imagine you'd want to activate the plan just after a new iPhone comes out, and hopefully time it so that you end the 2 years right after another new iPhone comes out, if you really want the latest-and-greatest.

Overall though, it seems to be more fair compared to AT&T's Next and Verizon's Early Upgrade programs.

Re:Apple Introduces the iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus by Watabou on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @05:33PM (#10194780)
How so? You get AppleCare+, which is $99, and if you compare that with AT&T, it's cheaper per month, unless I'm missing something. It's also unlocked so you can freely switch carriers.

I think there's a lot of people that will be enticed with this.

Re:Apple Introduces the iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus by sehr on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @05:16PM (#10194671)
AppleCare+
Re:Apple Introduces the iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus by eastbayjake on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @04:10PM (#10194192)
I'm sure it will be turned back in, refurbished, and resold in developing markets
Re:Apple Introduces the iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus by rsync on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:52PM (#10194033)
Both GE and GM turned themselves into banks. It ended poorly for both of them.