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Re:Do you have 30k CHF pocket money? by sbuk on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @10:15AM (#10085616)
They haven't named the student concerned. RTFA.
Re:Do you have 30k CHF pocket money? by JupiterMoon on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @10:18AM (#10085639)
They must be telling the company her name if the charge is to be passed on. Otherwise she can simply not pay. I have read the article please do not swear at me even in acronym form.
Re:Do you have 30k CHF pocket money? by sbuk on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @10:41AM (#10085797)
TFA refers to the student several times as 'him'. Again, RTFA.
Re:Do you have 30k CHF pocket money? by JupiterMoon on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @11:59AM (#10086423)
In general people use "him" as a replacement for "him/her". Other people use the pronoun "her" to combat the implicit assumption that people must be male. Since they are not identifying the student in this blog post one cannot ascertain the sex of the student from the fact that blog post uses the word "him". My use of the word "her" had nothing to do with any fucking.
Re:Do you have 30k CHF pocket money? by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @07:34PM (#10089232)
> In general people use "him" as a replacement for "him/her".

That's one of the ways people use "him". Other times, they use "him" to mean that the individual in question is male.

These days, "her" to combat the implicit assumption that people must be male is common enough, it's almost safer to assume that "him" means someone who is specifically male.

Re:Do you have 30k CHF pocket money? by JupiterMoon on Thursday August 20, 2015 @02:55AM (#10090341)
> These days, "her" to combat the implicit assumption that people must be male is common enough, it's almost safer to assume that "him" means someone who is specifically male.

I think this is not true yet. Anecdotally I personally only noticed this first a few months ago and no one I've discussed it with in real life has yet known what I'm talking about.

Re:Do you have 30k CHF pocket money? by sbuk on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @07:24PM (#10089194)
Look, you can use all the twists of logic that you like, the facts of the matter are these; the protagonist is male and they were in the wrong.
Re:Do you have 30k CHF pocket money? by JupiterMoon on Thursday August 20, 2015 @02:52AM (#10090332)
How do you know the student is male? You said that CERN and the University did not name the student?
Re:Do you have 30k CHF pocket money? by sbuk on Thursday August 20, 2015 @01:49PM (#10093448)
Because unlike you I read the fucking article. In it, the author directly refers to the student as 'him' and 'he'; therefore it is safe to say, despite your politically ridiculous musings, that the protagonist is male.
Re:Do you have 30k CHF pocket money? by JupiterMoon on Thursday August 20, 2015 @02:31PM (#10093703)
No it is not safe to do so -- as I have already explained in detail. And yes for the uptenth I read the article.
Re:Do you have 30k CHF pocket money? by sbuk on Friday August 21, 2015 @03:57AM (#10096407)
You are wrong. End of. Learn when to back down.
Re:Do you have 30k CHF pocket money? by JupiterMoon on Friday August 21, 2015 @04:38AM (#10096517)
Not really. I think that you are wrong you think that I am wrong. We will never resolve this. Goodbye.
Re:Do you have 30k CHF pocket money? by sbuk on Friday August 21, 2015 @10:24AM (#10097639)
You have to have the final word?

The story refers to the article, the student, in the masculine form. In English, we do not have explicit masculine/feminine forms of adjectives, therefore the article, in this case a student, is a male as the story's author referred to the article as 'him', 'he' and 'his'. I simply do not understand what you are finding so hard about this, other than petty political correctness. QED.

Furthermore, it is totally irrelevant to the story itself!

You. Are. Wrong.

Re:Do you have 30k CHF pocket money? by cezary on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @02:23PM (#10087422)
Looks like we need a new word to identify male if "him" no longer works.
Re:Do you have 30k CHF pocket money? by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @08:00PM (#10089327)
Well... in JupiterMoon's defense, the word is overloaded (in the C++ sense). We use "him" for "male", and also (historically) for "person of unspecified/unknown gender".

Now, we're more using "her" for "person of unspecified/unknown gender", but the problem remains: We've got three states (male, female, and unknown/unspecified), and only two words (him and her). No matter what, there's going to be this kind of problem, until we come up with a third word. (People have suggested "they" or "them", but I don't like it because of singular/plural issues.)

Re:Do you have 30k CHF pocket money? by _Simon on Saturday August 22, 2015 @03:49PM (#10103525)
But "them", "their" and "they" are perfectly serviceable and have been used for a long time.
Re:Do you have 30k CHF pocket money? by _Simon on Saturday August 22, 2015 @03:46PM (#10103512)
Like "they", "them" and "their"? English is a wonderfully flexible language, it's such a shame that ridiculous and faddish political correctness is so utterly blind to it.
Re:Do you have 30k CHF pocket money? by JupiterMoon on Thursday August 20, 2015 @02:53AM (#10090335)
If CERN are not identifying the student publicly then we do not know that they are male.
Re:Do you have 30k CHF pocket money? by sbuk on Thursday August 20, 2015 @01:48PM (#10093440)
Well we do, since TFA article refers to the student as male multiple times. You take is your take. It is politically motivated.
Re:Do you have 30k CHF pocket money? by JupiterMoon on Thursday August 20, 2015 @02:32PM (#10093716)
No we know that they used the word him and his. This does not as we have already established identify the student's sex.
Re:Do you have 30k CHF pocket money? by sbuk on Friday August 21, 2015 @03:58AM (#10096411)
Don't be ridiculous.