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Re:The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked by dang on Tuesday August 18, 2015 @11:37PM (#10083557)
Is there a word for things that only other people can be? The one that always comes to mind is "tourist".
Re:The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked by david-given on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @04:46AM (#10084316)
It's 'outgroup'.

There's a really amazing post here about outgroups and the distorted way we reason --- or fail to reason --- about them. It's a bit long, but totally worth the read.

http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything...

Re:The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked by acqq on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @05:52AM (#10084500)
Thanks! That helped:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroups_and_outgroups

"In sociology and social psychology, an ingroup is a social group to which a person psychologically identifies as being a member. By contrast, an outgroup is a social group with which an individual does not identify."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_identity_theory

"A social identity is the portion of an individual's self-concept derived from perceived membership in a relevant social group.[1] As originally formulated by Henri Tajfel and John Turner in the 1970s and the 1980s,[2] social identity theory introduced the concept of a social identity as a way in which to explain intergroup behaviour.[3][4][5]"

Still, individuals do change their ingroup membership and can remain as intolerant to then fully new outgroup. It would be good to have a name for this phenomenon: being intolerant to whatever person's current outgroup is. And there is one, which happens to have more uses than only this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice

"The word is often used to refer to preconceived, usually unfavorable, judgments toward people or a person because of gender, political opinion, social class, age, disability, religion, sexuality, race/ethnicity, language, nationality, or other personal characteristics. In this case, it refers to a positive or negative evaluation of another person based on their perceived group membership.[1]"

Re:The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked by gjm11 on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @06:00AM (#10084522)
> really amazing [...] a bit long, but totally worth the read

You have just described at least half of the dozens of posts on that blog.

(There's a best-of list, still intimidatingly long, here: http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/mmg/yvains_most_importa... and a best-of-best-of subset of that, unfortunately with only the titles and no links, here: http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/mmg/yvains_most_importa.... I haven't looked through either of those lists and make no claim that they have successfully selected the best. The lists include not only posts on Slate Star Codex, but also others -- mostly earlier -- from the same author elsewhere.)

Re:The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked by david-given on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @09:39AM (#10085299)
The point that really came home to me from that post is that --- to use the author's terminology --- an outgroup is a tribe which is in conflict with my tribe. In other words, a tribe whose activities is irrelevant to me is not my outgroup. So tolerance towards it is easy and therefore worthless.

This is something I've never seen stated outright before, and it seems totally true to me.

Re:The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked by gjm11 on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @12:20PM (#10086586)
Yup!

(For the avoidance of doubt, my comment that what you said applies to lots of things on SSC wasn't intended as any sort of criticism -- I wasn't saying "boo, you failed to describe the article in a way that distinguishes it from the others" but "yay, SSC has a lot of really good articles".)

Re:The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked by david-given on Thursday August 20, 2015 @01:47PM (#10093436)
It's okay, I totally got that. I will admit that I haven't read any of the others; I'm still thinking about this one...
Re:The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked by HSO on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @02:01AM (#10083884)
Only they: terrorists

Only you: freedom fighter, liberator

Only they: imperialists

Only you: protector

Only they: baby killers

Only you: collateral damage

I'm sure George Carlin could come up with more expensive shots… Man, I miss him.

Re:The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked by FireBeyond on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @12:57PM (#10086823)
From Lord of War:

"Every faction in Africa calls themselves by these noble names - Liberation this, Patriotic that, Democratic Republic of something-or-other... I guess they can't own up to what they usually are: the Federation of Worse Oppressors Than the Last Bunch of Oppressors. Often, the most barbaric atrocities occur when both combatants proclaim themselves Freedom Fighters."

Re:The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked by acqq on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @03:51AM (#10084151)
Unbelievers. Only others can be the ones not believing what you believe at the given moment (you can of course believe the opposite later, but you just "changed your mind" or something). Religions use that word to proclaim or even demand that something bad should happen to the others.

Interestingly, some people discussing the leak show emotional and "religiously righteous" response to the people who possibly made or even just considered an act of "infidelity" (not to be confused with the "infidels.")

Infidel: "Late 15th century: from French infidèle or Latin infidelis, from in- 'not' + fidelis 'faithful' (from fides 'faith', related to fidere 'to trust'). The word originally denoted a person of a religion other than one's own, specifically a Muslim (to a Christian), a Christian (to a Muslim), or a Gentile (to a Jew)."

C.f. Barbarian, 2: "2. Hist. a. One not a Greek. b. One living outside the pale of the Roman empire and its civilization, applied especially to the northern nations that overthrew them. c. One outside the pale of Christian civilization. d. With the Italians of the Renascence: One of a nation outside of Italy."

Re:The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked by mootothemax on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @03:10AM (#10084056)
Is there a word for things that only other people can be?

Kinda along similar lines: expats vs. immigrants.

"Oh no, Paul and Iza are expats. Not at all like those job-stealing immigrants who moved in next door..."

(aside: does wrong fit your original question?)

Re:The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked by Hhefferman1989 on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @06:37AM (#10084626)
This isn't a valid example. "Expat" is a very specifically defined term in the vernacular of people that live outside of their home countries: it means a person that moved to another country for a specific job (usually because they were recruited into that job). Expat is a sub-class of immigrant; not all immigrants are expats, but all expats are immigrants. Also, despite what people that make this argument try to claim, many self-identifying and generally accepted "Expats" are not white and / or come from non-Western countries.
Re:The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked by yellowstuff on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @08:54AM (#10085069)
Wikipedia somewhat agrees with you, saying:

> In common usage, [expatriate] is often used in the context of professionals or skilled workers sent abroad by their companies.

A Guardian writer disagrees, saying "expat" means "white immigrant":

http://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-...

Personally, I think "expat" is used more in the sense of an (usually white) immigrant from a richer country to a poorer country. EG, an Indian recruited to work at Google in San Francisco would be an expat by your definition but I think most people would use the term "immigrant." Conversely, I'd expect the term "expat" to be used for an American white guy who was travelling the world after getting laid off, impulsively decided to stay in Bangkok, and now does freelance web design, lives in a nice neighborhood, and hangs out mostly with Americans and Europeans.

I am not saying I think this is how the term should be used, just describing my experience with it.

Re:The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked by mseebach on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @09:32AM (#10085246)
While that does ring quite true to me (I'm an 'expat' immigrant myself, although moving both to and from rich countries), I think the piece hit a bit off target: It's a 'rich' thing, not a 'white' thing - the white polish plumber or builder in the UK is unequivocally considered an immigrant, the software engineer is more likely to be an expat.

Also, one deeper, to my ear, 'expat' has a flavour of intending to return, where immigration generally sounds more one-way and permanent - which of course again parallels the 'rich' narrative: it's much easier to intend to return to your rich country of origin than it is to return to a poor one.

Re:The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked by Hhefferman1989 on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @10:13AM (#10085599)
I lived in Berlin and knew many Indian and African software professionals who moved to Berlin for a specific job and very much considered themselves (and were considered by others) to be expats. I understand what you're saying, but in practice the usage of these terms doesn't break down in the way that the Guardian article would lead you to believe.
Re:The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked by tormeh on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @04:42PM (#10088330)
Berliners call everyone not settling down permanently "tourists" and resent them somewhat, if my impression is correct.
Re:The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked by vilhelm_s on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @03:06PM (#10087687)
I feel the rich vs poor country is irrelevant and the key point is the "hangs out mostly with Americans and Europeans". E.g. if I move to Japan, work for a Japanese company and have mostly Japanese friends, I'm an immigrant. If I work at an English-speaking workplace and have mostly English-speaking non-Japanese friends, I'm an expat.
Re:The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @03:37PM (#10087901)
A lot of UK expats are retirees, eg in Spain. To me the word differs to emigrant in that UK expats still consider themselves to be citizens [well subjects at least] of the UK. They wouldn't seek to be naturalised to their host country and will often spend a prolonged time in the UK (like many UK families with Pakistani heritage seem to spend a long time there). The flavour or how "expat" is used in the UK is for people on an [very] extended holiday.

People who "emigrate" from the UK primarily seem to go to Australia, by that I mean that's how the word is used. A high-school friend went to "work in the States" rather than "emigrating to America", for example.

Migrant (emigrant/immigrant) seems to be used primarily for those under some duress of compulsion, eg threat of violence or need of work that is otherwise unavailable.

Re:The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked by SilasX on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @03:08AM (#10084054)
I've said "I'm a tourist" before.
Re:The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked by nitrogen on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @03:35AM (#10084114)
One could always coin a new one or borrow an existing word. I like xenonym, but it's current definitions seem inapropos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenonym

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/xenonym