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Re:Linguistic Harbingers of Betrayal: A Case Study on an Onl... by dmichulke on Tuesday August 11, 2015 @07:32AM (#10040254)
While this sounds interesting, the feature selection was done on the same data as the tests were conducted later on.

If I read it correctly, that's a biggie, especially given the weak outperformance of chance.

Re:Linguistic Harbingers of Betrayal: A Case Study on an Onl... by bwangsta on Tuesday August 11, 2015 @11:49AM (#10041947)
"Dedicated to all those who betrayed us"
Re:Linguistic Harbingers of Betrayal: A Case Study on an Onl... by erikj on Tuesday August 11, 2015 @06:40AM (#10040082)
57 percent? It's almost as reliable as a coin flip.
Re:Linguistic Harbingers of Betrayal: A Case Study on an Onl... by philh on Tuesday August 11, 2015 @08:17AM (#10040405)
Unsurprisingly, that 57% is almost meaningless.

It looks like they took all the betrayals they had, then matched each betrayal with a similar friendship that didn't end in betrayal, and somehow ended up with a data set that was about 52% lasting friendships and 48% betrayals. I think that "somehow" is that each friendship added a data point per season, and lasting friendships lasted longer than eventual-betrayal friendships.

Within that dataset, they got 57% accuracy on the question "will this friendship end in a betrayal?" That doesn't mean they can look at an arbitrary existing friendship and predict betrayal with 57% accuracy, because the base rates will be different. And in any case, it's important to distinguish between false positives and false negatives, which the accuracy score completely fails to do.

But they also looked at eventual-betrayal friendships, and attempted to predict when the betrayal would happen. (Or at least "will it happen this turn?") The base rate for that was 14% and they got an F1 score (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_score) of 0.31, which I think is decent but not fantastic.

Re:Linguistic Harbingers of Betrayal: A Case Study on an Onl... by gull on Tuesday August 11, 2015 @07:11AM (#10040187)
But more reliable than betrayer's judgement who never saw it coming.

And what happens if one combines that data with other data?

Re:Linguistic Harbingers of Betrayal: A Case Study on an Onl... by jmnicolas on Tuesday August 11, 2015 @08:16AM (#10040402)
Look at the second comment from the article (from Matt) :

"[...]and you use this computer algorithm to predict betrayal, the computer will predict that you'll be betrayed 4 times during those 10 turns. That's a lot of false positives[...]"

Re:Linguistic Harbingers of Betrayal: A Case Study on an Onl... by dang on Tuesday August 11, 2015 @04:29AM (#10039700)
Re:Linguistic Harbingers of Betrayal: A Case Study on an Onl... by tzs on Tuesday August 11, 2015 @07:50AM (#10040306)
Uhm...the URL in that comment and the URL of the story are the same. Did your "save changes" button betray you?
Re:Linguistic Harbingers of Betrayal: A Case Study on an Onl... by sctb on Tuesday August 11, 2015 @10:58AM (#10041516)
Thanks, the link should now be to the referenced paper.
Re:Linguistic Harbingers of Betrayal: A Case Study on an Onl... by dang on Tuesday August 11, 2015 @03:45PM (#10043810)
Late night screwup. Sorry!
Re:Linguistic Harbingers of Betrayal: A Case Study on an Onl... by philh on Tuesday August 11, 2015 @07:48AM (#10040298)
It still points to Schneier's blog post.