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Re:How the Hiroshima bombing is taught around the world by happyscrappy on Thursday August 06, 2015 @04:32PM (#10019229)
From the comments:

One of the failures of teaching a balanced history is to ignore what was going on in Asia in the run up to the war. Perhaps because of our cultural biases, we focus so heavily on the atrocities of the Nazi's and entirely ignore the murders, rape, torture, etc of the Chinese, Indonesian, Philippines, Burmese, and other countries by the Japanese. When we do talk about their atrocities, we focus primarily on those committed against Caucasians prisoners of wars.

While the ethical aspects of using nuclear devices is important, it is also important to recognize that imperial Japan was arguably the most brutal and sadistic colonial expansions of the 20th century. Japan has done an excellent job of whitewashing their history. The US talks openly about the use of nuclear weapons. Japan is in a state of denial about their regime. Even the Rape of Nanking gets barely a sentence in their high school history books.

Re:How the Hiroshima bombing is taught around the world by nogridbag on Thursday August 06, 2015 @05:20PM (#10019534)
I'd just like to add another data point. As an American, I don't recall ever being taught anything in school about the atrocities Japan committed on the Chinese, etc. Perhaps I was just a poor student :) but it obviously was not a main focus. It wasn't until I met my wife who is Chinese that I learned about this and she could not believe I didn't know about it. Of course it's a big part of the history education there and why many Chinese still hold strong grudges towards Japanese.
Re:How the Hiroshima bombing is taught around the world by sitkack on Thursday August 06, 2015 @07:22PM (#10020091)
Because General Douglas MacArthur granted the Japanese who participated in human biological experiments pardons to get their cooperation in collecting the research.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shir%C5%8D_Ishii

But none of this makes justifying the murder of Japanese civilians ok, esp after the fact.

Re:How the Hiroshima bombing is taught around the world by nogridbag on Friday August 07, 2015 @11:19AM (#10022929)
Wow, that's probably the first wikipedia page I've ever had to close because I simply could not handle reading it...
Re:How the Hiroshima bombing is taught around the world by onnoonno on Friday August 07, 2015 @06:37PM (#10025431)
Another data point from Germany: I remember being taught (sometime during the 1990s) about atrocities committed by the Japanese during WW2 in history lessons in school. (Obviously, there was a lot more about the atrocities by the Germans)
Re:How the Hiroshima bombing is taught around the world by pluma on Thursday August 06, 2015 @04:47PM (#10019346)
We are supposed to have overcome this line of thinking. This is basically "an eye for an eye".
Re:How the Hiroshima bombing is taught around the world by beering on Thursday August 06, 2015 @05:55PM (#10019731)
Not revenge. Every month sooner that the A-bomb brought the war's end was about 100k-250k civilians saved in the co-prosperity sphere. In the western narrative, the number of deaths the Japanese caused in their own region is rarely compared against the number who died in the atomic bombings.
Re:How the Hiroshima bombing is taught around the world by mfoy_ on Thursday August 06, 2015 @05:04PM (#10019434)
>One of the failures of teaching a balanced history is to ignore what was going on in Asia in the run up to the war.

No. That's one of the failures of POORLY teaching history. Don't confuse a "balanced history" with "half of history".

Re:How the Hiroshima bombing is taught around the world by lagadu on Thursday August 06, 2015 @04:48PM (#10019353)
You're effectively saying that committing atrocities is justified if it's against someone who also commits them.

It never is.

Re:How the Hiroshima bombing is taught around the world by honest_joe on Thursday August 06, 2015 @04:50PM (#10019360)
A-bombs saved zillions of lives. If you do not see this then you are a brain amputee.
Re:How the Hiroshima bombing is taught around the world by justizin on Thursday August 06, 2015 @05:05PM (#10019445)
zillions? raises eyebrow
Re:How the Hiroshima bombing is taught around the world by IkmoIkmo on Thursday August 06, 2015 @05:07PM (#10019453)
This is absolutely true, but I have trouble seeing the relevancy of stating that in how it relates to the fact that two non-military, civilian-dense cities were bombed. Normally killing hundreds of thousands of civilians for political gains is considered terrorism, easily a warcrime, despite the fact their government may be driving its population to horrible atrocities all over Asia, or not doing enough to prevent them. In fact I don't think the US really covers this enough, it's usually brought as merely the end of a bloody war, when you can find many generals who opposed, arguable claims that the bombs were the first political move in the cold war as a gesture of power towards the Soviet Union and as a way to have Japan surrender to the US rather than the allies, and therefore under US terms which would cement US-Japanese relations (which are solid to this day), as a test, and within a context where Japan may have offered to surrender under similar conditions as the US ultimately demanded, many months earlier. To be fair, there is no academic consensus on any of these points, but many are credible and sensible claims for which evidence does exist, and my experience of the standard reading in US culture makes little mention of this. It's mostly seen as a necessary evil that saved many lives by ending the war abruptly, which isn't incorrect, but far from the comprehensive truth or the only credible historical narrative.

But as for Japan's whitewashing, yes, in and of itself, viewed separately from the nuclear debate, you're absolutely right. It's quite astonishing they haven't gotten this right yet, and with what power a wrongful national narrative can continue to exist in the age of internet, globalisation and relatively little Japanese censorship. You'd think the latest generation would be acutely aware of its history. And it's not as if they haven't changed. They've done more than enough to consider themselves among the most civilised countries since then, of course there is a sense of shame but we're approaching an age where nobody during that time was alive, and where even the generation after it is on their way out. Internally Japan is long overdue in recognising these parts of its history in full, and I think purely internally few Japanese really would have an issue with that, as painful as it would be, just like I'm completely comfortable as a Dutch person to acknowledge my country's colonial and slave history. But these things are particularly externally, politically sensitive, in terms of Japan's international relations with the various powerhouses in Asia (China and Korea, and populous emerging economies like say Indonesia). Similar to say, if I were a Dutch politician I may be more concerned how our standing in the world changes when recognising the full extent of our colonial history (e.g. apologising for certain political executions the Netherlands committed are still controversial) Just like say Turkey and the Armenian genocide. Although even here as an outsider I think it would warm Japan's relations immensely if it were to reach out in sympathy and make at the very least symbolic gestures like small reparations.

Re:How the Hiroshima bombing is taught around the world by merpnderp on Thursday August 06, 2015 @05:40PM (#10019645)
Hiroshima had a major naval port and military headquarters. Nagasaki had a large military garrison that accounted for a significant percentage of casualties. Never mind by this stage, degrading military industrial centers was widely considered the best way to end the war. I don't see how you can claim these targets had no military value.
Re:How the Hiroshima bombing is taught around the world by aikah on Thursday August 06, 2015 @04:47PM (#10019344)
And?

what is YOUR point?

Re:How the Hiroshima bombing is taught around the world by honest_joe on Thursday August 06, 2015 @04:49PM (#10019355)
Exactly but you will get downvoted to the oblivion because there's too many japanese,anime lovers that would hit you in the face if you would defend the bombing.

But these are retarded westerners who have no clue. They deserved every shrapnel from the bomb and still have not paid the full price to all of the victims.

HELL THESE japanese denied the free health-care to non-japanese victims. 20 000 koreans died in the bombings. But nobody cares.

Japanese people were and still are a terrible nation. I hope they sink to the oblivion.

Re:How the Hiroshima bombing is taught around the world by shkkmo on Thursday August 06, 2015 @05:01PM (#10019422)
Hey look, you get my first down vote ever for being a racist.

A lot a brutal things were done by many countries over the course of WWII, the effectiveness and morality of which can be discussed from many interesting points of view. You however chose to say this:

> Japanese people were and still are a terrible nation. I hope they sink to the oblivion.

Re:How the Hiroshima bombing is taught around the world by Panoramix on Thursday August 06, 2015 @05:21PM (#10019537)
One of the most racist and misinformed comments I have come across in a while. You are an embarrassment to Koreans everywhere.