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Re:It’s time to give Firefox a fresh chance on Sunday April 15, 2018 @06:11PM (#16845284)
Brave browser has NoScript in settings.
Thanks.
What would make it a first-class citizen?

Even an empty Rakudo Perl 6 program is a multi-threaded program, as the dynamic optimizer runs on a separate thread. I'd figure if that's possible, concurrency/parallelism would be quite a first-class citizen, not a best hope on top of something.

I like concurrency in Rakudo Perl 6. (https://docs.perl6.org/language/concurrency)

Especially the .hyper method that turns a regular sequence into hyper sequence that gets processed in parallel. First 5000 prime numbers:

    # single-thread, takes 14.893s
    put ^∞ .grep(*.is-prime).head: 5000

    # multi-threaded, takes 8.853s on my 2-core box
    put ^∞ .hyper.grep(*.is-prime).head: 5000
Re:Ask HN: What did you work on in 2017? on Sunday December 31, 2017 @02:09PM (#16042119)
The Rakudo compiler: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/

Feeling a lot more optimistic about it today than a year ago. \o/

Re:Perl 6 Advent Calendar on Friday December 01, 2017 @03:25PM (#15827049)
Mixing in out-of-band data
Re:Perl 6 Advent Calendar on Friday December 01, 2017 @01:58PM (#15826279)
Author here. Thanks for reading my post! :)

To answer some of the comments: no, this isn't satire, nor is it a marketing or advertisement piece.

I'm just having fun with the language and wrote a post in the voice of The Grinch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grinch). It's meant to be mean. That's all there is to it. Tomorrow's article (coincidentally, also written by me), will have a more sober tone and will describe Perl 6's system of containers and variables. See if you like it more.

I'm OK if you don't like Perl 6 :) That's why we have so many different wonderful languages: everyone can find what they love. I love Perl 6. You should try it out.

Re:A Review of Perl 6 on Sunday August 13, 2017 @06:44PM (#15005395)
I don't mind annoying people to solve problems.
Re:A Review of Perl 6 on Sunday August 13, 2017 @05:32PM (#15005073)
Commits that happened recently and aren't part of any release yet :)
Re:A Review of Perl 6 on Sunday August 13, 2017 @05:22PM (#15005015)
Yes, performance is where most of the funding is currently going into.

Bleed commits on VM for example, recently passed Perl 5 on speed with read-a-million-line-file-and-sum-up-number-of-chars bench ( https://twitter.com/zoffix/status/895684203550973956 ).

Re:A Review of Perl 6 on Sunday August 13, 2017 @05:16PM (#15004981)
There's actually talk about amending the name for next major language release ( https://rakudo.party/post/The-Hot-New-Language-Named-Rakudo ). Exactly for the reasons you state: it's a completely different language than Perl and so far it proved too confusing for everyone.
Re:A Review of Perl 6 on Sunday August 13, 2017 @05:14PM (#15004971)
Funny you mentioning Geth... Perl 6's core devs use a bot named Geth to report new commits on IRC. And.... it's written in Perl 6 ( https://github.com/perl6/geth ) :)
Re:How Did Anyone Do Math in Roman Numerals? on Friday July 21, 2017 @06:23PM (#14824163)
That's just a helper script to generate tables for for .succ/.pred string increment/decrement methods. Nd and No chars as numeric literals were available since first stable release in December 2015
Re:How Did Anyone Do Math in Roman Numerals? on Friday July 21, 2017 @06:22PM (#14824153)
> EDIT: Ok, so I installed perl6 (rakudo) just to test this out, and it apparently doesn't work out of the box. Pity.

By any chance, was it from system packages that are likely outdated? You can get up-to-date packages [here](https://github.com/nxadm/rakudo-pkg/releases) or for Windows/Mac, use [Rakudo Star](http://rakudo.org/downloads/star/). Anything older than 2017.04 is ancient and anything older than 2015.12 precedes first stable release and is likely broken.

> Now I wonder what other number systems it supports

It goes by Unicode's definition of what's a digit or a number (using Nd and No) properties. Nd chars are "digits" and can be combined. `No` chars are "Numeric other" and can't be combined; can only use them as numeric literals. [Among other things](https://docs.perl6.org/language/unicode_texas.html#Numeric_c...), that includes Unicodey fractions. And as a cherry on top, you can use superscript chars to raise to a power:

    $ rakudo -e 'say ½ + 42²'
    1764.5
Here are all the Nd and No chars that can be used as numeric literals:

    $ rakudo -e 'put (^0x110000).grep(*.uniprop eq any <Nd No>)».chr'                                                                                                                                                                            
    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ² ³ ¹ ¼ ½ ¾ ٠ ١ ٢ ٣ ٤ ٥ ٦ ٧ ٨ ٩ ۰ ۱ ۲ ۳ ۴ ۵ ۶ ۷ ۸ ۹ ߀ ߁
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Re:How Did Anyone Do Math in Roman Numerals? on Friday July 21, 2017 @05:48PM (#14823954)
Ouch. That's older than first stable release :)
FWIW, a huge amount of work has been done to docs in the past year. There's even a dead-tree book available now (https://deeptext.media/perl6-at-a-glance/ ), with 3 more slated to release later this year.
Heard of that video. It's about Perl 6's sister language, Perl 5. And the presenter basically did this for shits and giggles. Even the module that supposedly has the exploits he talks about hasn't been recommended to use for over a decade.
Biased core dev here...

I've used Perl 6 for IRC bots. The ease of writing parallel code, nice OO model, multi dispatch, and subsets make it very pleasant to do them in Perl 6. Here's a bot I wrote that listens for GitHub webhooks and reports new commits and PRs: https://github.com/perl6/geth and here's another one that's just a bunch of random features: https://github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-buggable/

I also heard people say grammars are the most note-worthy feature of Perl 6 and people basically use them to quickly hack up a nice little micro-language in which they then attack their problem. Before I came to Perl 6 I was dumb as shoe when it came to writing parsers, but I find it trivial to do with Perl 6 grammars.

Do I like it? Although I'm obviously biased, I love the language. It lets you write beautifully concise, yet still readable, code. It even lets you use much more readable syntax for regexes. Somewhat regretfully, it made it very difficult for me to learn other languages, as in them I end up writing 3x, 4x, 6x the amount of code and I keep getting reminded of Larry Wall saying Perl 6 would be the last language you'd learn. In Perl 6 I can "talk"; in other languages, I write "code".

However, while the language is fantastic, the implementation still has a lot of work to be done to polish it off. It's basically a 1.0 release. Unlike Go, Rust, or Swift, there isn't a giant corporation behind Perl 6 that can just throw money at problems until they disappear. Compared to other languages, some things are still unoptimized and are much slower. I spotted some leakage that makes it problematic for very-long-running (months) programs. About 65 new bug tickets are opened per month. The test suite is pretty sparse in some areas (which is the likely reason for many of the new bug tickets). But... three new core developers joined this January, so hopefully all that will get improved pretty fast.

Someone in the comments also mentioned the baby-sized ecosystem... Since Perl 6 lets you use C libraries without needing to compile anything, people wrote stuff like Inline::Perl5 and Inline::Python that let you import and even subclass stuff from Perl 5 and Python. And that's a bit of a double-edge sword: yes, it's trivial to use libraries from Perl 5 and Python, but it also stunts the ecosystem; no one has enough motivation to re-invent the wheel in Perl 6 when the wheels from other languages are reasonably usable.

It's the same thing.
Re:Ask HN: Why hasn't Perl 6 taken off yet? on Monday November 07, 2016 @01:11PM (#12893329)
For the last year, I've seen you several times re-iterate that point that just-if and if-only the handful of volunteers who drive this project made some sort of a massive media spectacle then everyone and their brother would be using Perl 6 these days.

Sorry, but that's just wishful thinking. We don't have infinite resources or infinite number of volunteers. Maybe instead of endless critique, you could offer a helping hand. You did want to at one point: https://irclog.perlgeek.de/mojo/2016-10-09#i_13366119

Re:Ask HN: Why hasn't Perl 6 taken off yet? on Monday November 07, 2016 @11:03AM (#12892072)
Of course, it's not. But as a developer who doesn't use those two languages my only point of contact with them is via those greybears who tarnish the image of the entire lot ;)
Re:Ask HN: Why hasn't Perl 6 taken off yet? on Monday November 07, 2016 @11:00AM (#12892037)
I wrote a short answer here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12890552

If you like go's conc stuff, then I'm sure you'll love Perl 6's async/conc/paralel. stuff: https://docs.perl6.org/language/concurrency#High-level_APIs

I wrote an IRC API with Perl 6 that I really love, since it makes it so easy for me to parallelize a plugin's work, while working with an async protocol, all the while connected to multiple servers, all with the same short script: http://perl6.party/post/IRC-Client-Perl-6-Multi-Server-IRC-M...

Re:Ask HN: Why hasn't Perl 6 taken off yet? on Monday November 07, 2016 @10:48AM (#12891932)
To me, it's mostly the presence of all new CS inventions in core. Like you don't need any damn libraries to paralellize stuff, just use `start` block or a `supply`. If you write accounting software, you'll appreciate built-in rationals so that 0.1 + 0.2 == 0.3, unlike so many other languages. Laziness is present in many things like lazy exceptions, string generation, and sequences: say (3, 9 … ∞)[^20] does not hang and produces (3 9 15 21 27 33 39 45 51 57 63 69 75 81 87 93 99 105 111 117), despite being an infinite sequence.

You also have grammars, more readable regex language, and superb object model. On a more advanced spectrum, with grammars and slangs, you can craft your own mini-languages for a specific domain where they would fit better; there's a nice little presentation by Damian Conway where he crafts an operator for quantum mechanical math that looks and functions just like the proper mathematical symbol functions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq2HkAYbG5o

As for the langs you mentioned: I find a lot of similarities between Rust and Perl 6, although in some areas it seems Perl 6 folks did more thinking (like the .match stuff). They are however in different domains, Rust being a systems language; but you can use Rust libraries in Perl 6 via NativeCall if you compile them for C calling convention.

Perl 6 smokes Ruby and Python with its asynch/parallel/conc. support and more advanced object model.

As far as Unicode support goes, only Swift comes close to Perl 6; try to uppercase "ß" in Ruby, for example. Even if you to claim you only write software for English-speaking customers, you still have to deal with weird customer names for example.

For parameters you mention, many people notice they have to write fewer code in Perl 6. Personally, I found when writing equivalent code as Perl 5, my Perl 6 versions were TWICE as short. And I don't mean you golf your program to anything unreadable, but rather the provided primitives are... well, modern... so I don't have to reinvent them with more basic primitives provided by older langs.

What you'll find is performance is a bit crappy right now. Perl 6's stable got released less than a year ago so there's still a ton of work left to do in bugfixing and optimizations. I think that's what a lot of folks fail to realize that Perl 6 is a brand new baby language so trying to compare its performance to Python (25 years of work) or Ruby (21 years of work) or ES6 (tons of corporate interest) is a bit unrealistic at this moment in time.

In conclusion, one can list dozens of benefits, but I think at the end of the day, it'll all come down to which language better fits your brain and if you participate in a community, which community feels more like the folks of your kind. So far, anyone who I saw try the language say they loved it. The performance can use an improvement and that's what the core devs are working on. So, I think the steam is being gathered.

Re:Ask HN: Why hasn't Perl 6 taken off yet? on Monday November 07, 2016 @10:17AM (#12891684)
The s/// is still there. You just use ~~ smartmatch operator instead of =~ binding operator. I did get it to pop up in the docs search results: https://docs.perl6.org/language/operators#index-entry-s%2F%2...

I personally like the method version: .subst() and .subst-mutate()

Re:Ask HN: Why hasn't Perl 6 taken off yet? on Monday November 07, 2016 @10:11AM (#12891625)
What's "klunky"? You add :from<Perl5> to module name and off you go. The only thing that irks me is Perl 5's common notation is snake_case, but in Perl 6 kebob-case is almost universal, so by bringing in Perl 5 code you break this stylistic convention.
Re:Ask HN: Why hasn't Perl 6 taken off yet? on Monday November 07, 2016 @07:39AM (#12890568)
Touched a nerve, eh? ;)
Re:Ask HN: Why hasn't Perl 6 taken off yet? on Monday November 07, 2016 @07:35AM (#12890552)
Python is a Turing Complete language, so I'd be surprised if it trully lacked a feature and there weren't a library written by a poor soul that implemented it.

I am talking more about programming thinking than a feature set. That there's no such thing as Unicode issues or needing to use silly "u" prefixes. That 0.1 + 0.2 == 0.3 reliably that you can write accounting software worry-free and not wonder about why it fails in so many old langs. That you can use grammars to write a mini-language for your specific problem to save yourself tons of generic programming. That you can branch off into a separate processor core with a simple `start` keyword or parallelize a method call on a list of items with just a `>>` hyper prefix or seamlessly communicate a job parallelized over 30 cores with yet another core with a simmple channelled supply without worrying about data races.

These features may be present in Python, but way of thinking isn't. A new programmer starting in Perl 6 won't think of multi-threading, Unicode, floating point math as problematic areas and grammars together with full-language maleability that lets you create problem-specific langs instead of a mountain of generic classes is undreamt of by oldschoolers like me.

Re:Ask HN: Why hasn't Perl 6 taken off yet? on Monday November 07, 2016 @07:02AM (#12890424)
Where did you even get a mention of moarvm for you to get confused about?

Sounds like you're making shit up just to be difficult. The giant button on perl6.org says "Rakudo is a compiler for Perl 6 code", it leads you to a page of choices, among which is a link to a binaries where you choose your platform.

It's like complaining that you have to use `gcc` when learning the C Programming Language and being flabbergasted to find there are multiple versions of it.

Seriously, this isn't rocket surgery.

Re:Ask HN: Why hasn't Perl 6 taken off yet? on Monday November 07, 2016 @06:31AM (#12890300)
Because we aim for organic growth: not too fast and not too slow. Based on stats, our userbase doubled since last year; and that's with an yet-to-be-optimized compiler that's an order of magnitude slower than competitors and by some people's standard not yet production ready.

It'll also take a bit for people who loudly push 25-year-old languages like Python and Ruby like holy grail to... die off (no, I don't want them to convert). Perl 6 is a next generation language over them and it'll take next generation of programmers to make use of the new programming paradigms.

What you're probably asking is why hasn't Perl 6 went viral like Swift, Rust, or Go? Well, we don't have a multi-million (or -billion) company backing us, so fanboys and people who are after the latest shiny things aren't flocking to us like to manure. But look around this site: those langs get as much nonsensical comments from the Python-Ruby zealots who are too scared of new languages :)

Perl 6's first production release was less than a year ago. It's a bit unrealistic to expect it to be a "poster child" of anything so fast. If you're old enough to remember, no one gave a shit about Python until at least second version.

Don't worry about popularity. Learn many languages and use what you like using.

Re:Ask HN: Why hasn't Perl 6 taken off yet? on Monday November 07, 2016 @06:05AM (#12890189)
You're confusing Perl 5 and Perl 6. The two are different languages with vastly different communities.

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