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Re:Toward a Better Music Theory (2013)
on Saturday August 06, 2022 @07:23PM (#32372511)
Even then, though, Schoenberg was still following voice-leading principles usually. He'd just abandoned tonality and harmony.
Re:Toward a Better Music Theory (2013)
on Saturday August 06, 2022 @07:12PM (#32372439)
But yeah, the development of tonality kinda stopped in the 1850 range, with maybe Stravinsky, Tatum, and the 1940s Bebopers extending it as an exception. But at that point, tonality had passed out of the "art world" -- everything post-Duchamp's "Fountain" has been a bit more deconstructive and nihilistic.
Maybe of note, pun intended, Schoenberg was pursuing the "emancipation of the dissonances" while the Bolsheviks were destroying Russia. And of course, that's part of why nobody listens to Schoenberg or performs his stuff -- it's grating and kinda horrible, at least after he abandoned high Romanticism after Opus 5.
Re:Toward a Better Music Theory (2013)
on Saturday August 06, 2022 @07:08PM (#32372421)
I'm going to keep plugging https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08BT17M4S/
Answers all the questions, TBH.
Re:Toward a Better Music Theory (2013)
on Saturday August 06, 2022 @07:01PM (#32372363)
To be clear, I agree with you on the mindless labeling of stuff that's in current music pedagogy at universities -- that's mainly out of Yale. With my students, we wrote Lieder.
Re:Toward a Better Music Theory (2013)
on Saturday August 06, 2022 @06:57PM (#32372345)
Maybe -- but the context to understand what Debussy and Ravel were doing (maybe not Scriabin) is to get the Bach / Haydn / Mozart / Beethoven / Schubert under your belt.
Source: I've taught this at university.
Re:Toward a Better Music Theory (2013)
on Saturday August 06, 2022 @06:47PM (#32372290)
For further reading, this was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Riemann and harmonic dualism.
Re:Toward a Better Music Theory (2013)
on Saturday August 06, 2022 @06:41PM (#32372261)
Plagality is a pretty deep musical concept within tonality, though -- you have to deeply grok counterpoint and tonal harmony first, and then you can start to hear and perceive different aspects of tonal gravity.
For plagality, it's the "dark side" of the tritone, specifically with iiø or iv6.
Start putting together that tritone with the major standards of vii° or V7, and you're really rolling with the joy of traditional harmony.
Re:Toward a Better Music Theory (2013)
on Saturday August 06, 2022 @06:37PM (#32372236)
Yeah, Rameau is the "Louie, Louie" French fellow who was the "Newton of Music" who gave us the Roman numeral notation, while the Germans were still doing counterpoint and harmonics.
I very seriously believe there's a link between that, the revolutionary attitudes and kinship of the French and Americans, with the Rock and Roll movement of the 1950s / 1960s.
Re:Toward a Better Music Theory (2013)
on Saturday August 06, 2022 @06:31PM (#32372201)
Re:Toward a Better Music Theory (2013)
on Saturday August 06, 2022 @06:29PM (#32372186)
This is my corpus study. https://online.ucpress.edu/mp/article-abstract/31/1/32/62590...
Re:Toward a Better Music Theory (2013)
on Saturday August 06, 2022 @06:28PM (#32372178)
This article is about "we should change things because we know more!" Huron has always been more about "we should know more!"
For me, I'm with the latter.
Re:Toward a Better Music Theory (2013)
on Saturday August 06, 2022 @06:27PM (#32372170)
Coming from this field personally, this feels like typical Temperley and de Clerq sorts of things. Davie Temperley was in David Huron's lab once upon a time, I believe.
The systematic musicology world, especially the portion doing corpus studies, often is just doing descriptive research. The article linked is a bit more prescriptive.
The best book on music theory ever written, IMO, is David Huron's "Voice Leading -- The Science Behind a Musical Art." Definitely recommend.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08BT17M4S/ref=dbs_a_def_r...
Re:717 Gigapixel Image of Rembrandt's Nightwatch
on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:29PM (#30067575)
One of my favorite paintings of all time.
Re:Learning how to ride a bike
on Saturday December 11, 2021 @06:38PM (#29525380)
There's a general principle that's at work here for certain concepts: it's often a good idea to teach children technology skills in terms of the technology's historical development.
Riding a bicycle is certainly one; the earliest velocipedes had no pedals at all, and are essentially the "balance bikes" mentioned here.
Mathematics and computer science is another one -- no matter how elegant it can feel to construct a world from teaching in first principles first, the historical pedagogy is much more intuitive and effective, IMO.
Re:Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned
on Sunday February 14, 2021 @03:08AM (#26130518)
That joke is truly, laugh-out-loud funny.
Re:Ask HN: Dontrecruit.me – A website to collect stories about bad rec...
on Friday November 16, 2018 @09:40AM (#18469015)
I completely agree. Public shaming lists aren't advisable.
Re:Sex and STEM: Stubborn Facts and Stubborn Ideologies
on Saturday February 17, 2018 @09:50AM (#16400889)
I'm certainly a datapoint for feeling unable to speak about my opinions (n=1).
Re:Simple Contracts are Better Contracts: the Meltdown of the DAO
on Saturday June 18, 2016 @06:12PM (#11930859)
I really wanted to know about the Data Access Object.
Re:Being privacy-aware in 2016
on Monday June 06, 2016 @07:21AM (#11845888)
I suppose, then, it's for those who don't want to be tracked, and not a "very stupid idea" per se.
But then again, if you don't trust the remote to know who you are, then why do you have an identity with them? I mean, the remote service is SUPPOSED to know who you are. That's kinda the point.
Re:Being privacy-aware in 2016
on Monday June 06, 2016 @07:14AM (#11845855)
Use unique SSH keys for each service (sharing a SSH key on your GitHub/Gitlab account, network router and AWS/Azure instance is a very stupid idea)
I don't see how this makes sense. Assuming your private keys all live on the same machine (presumably with 0600 in /.ssh), then if your machine is stolen and your user password compromised, access to one private key is the same as access to all of them.
Re:Akka, Haskell, Erlang, Go and .NET Core compared on 1M threads
on Sunday February 14, 2016 @09:33AM (#11098365)
Though not unexpected, it's good to know what the order of difference is when choosing tools for the job at hand.