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Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @07:55PM (#20610018)
I might be wrong, but they only have to take one if you are below a certain age _and_ below the border income (Beitragsbemessungsgrenze). Always be careful w.r.t. these kinds of decisions because they could cost you an awful amount of money later.
Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @07:50PM (#20609995)
Without being able to contribute to your question: in hindsight of Brexit (UK will leave the EU) this might not be possible (as easy?) as in the past anymore.
Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @07:47PM (#20609984)
A lot of people in IT knowing how to negotiate well will probably cross the border. I would, at least.

I agree it doesn't make sense from a financial perspective generally but it does depending on your health records/situation. I, for example, have a chronic disease which implicates monthly medication which is crazy expensive. I could enter a private insurance (because I have a Anwartschaft, thank god I kept this from since forever) but the monthly rate will drive to insane amounts when I'm getting older and/or adding the fact of kids (Familienversicherung).

Going back to public insurance after being in private insurance is highly problematic and probably even impossible without playing grey-zone games if you don't want to lower your salary dramatically below the income border for multiple years.

Disclaimer: my knowledge is based on internet research, I am not an expert on this and might be wrong.

Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @02:57PM (#20608522)
Depending on your health records, staying voluntarily in the public insurance is the best thing you can do.
Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @01:10PM (#20607800)
Which are the "popular services" you are referring to? Can you elaborate?

In my current specific situation there are no coworkers from Germany.

I didn't even know that a US-based company can give me a German contract. Do you know the specifics how the stuff got deducted automatically (except the taxes)?

Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @01:07PM (#20607781)
Can you go more into detail regarding the tax stuff? Who pays the VAT then?
Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @01:05PM (#20607764)
Probably from me. It wouldn't even be a problem for me. I even would pay all of this upfront so there is no hassle five years later.
Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @12:59PM (#20607713)
This sounds genius! Never heard of that. Will definitely look into it. Thanks a ton!
Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @12:58PM (#20607703)
Someone else will make huge money only because bogus laws in Germany which probably won't be fixed even in the year 2100.

Anyway, I really like the idea and it sounds totally hassle-free. I will contact them and ask. Should I give you as a referral? Maybe you get a check if it works out for me.

Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @12:55PM (#20607684)
Done, thanks for your help :)
Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @12:53PM (#20607666)
When did they close that loophole?
Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @12:52PM (#20607661)
I don't think that my employer would do so only for me (given that I don't even have an employer right now, I'm just speaking generally here). But I agree this would indeed be the best option.

Is there a way that I can pay the social security fees from day one on my own to completely avoid all hassle and possible back-payments after a Prüfung (audit)?

Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @12:50PM (#20607643)
I do not want to save any money in taxes, health insurance, social insurance or pension fund. I am actually happy to pay all this. Nevertheless I heard horror stories even by doing so you are at risk they will f..k you anyway after a Prüfung (audit) within the first five years or so.

I even want to stay in the public health insurance (freiwillig gesetzlich versichert). I actually do not want to benefit from being self employed. I just want to make it legal.

Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @12:47PM (#20607623)
Done, thanks for your help :)
Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @12:44PM (#20607602)
Thanks to let me know the additional conditions. As an employee I wouldn't be able to control that.
Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @12:43PM (#20607597)
I already know the answer: yes, it will be Scheinselbstständigkeit. The question is how to legally avoid that classification.
Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @12:42PM (#20607589)
Wouldn't that still be a grey zone to just invoice two different legal entities even though they are technically the same?
Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @12:41PM (#20607582)
Thanks, will have a look :)
Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @12:40PM (#20607581)
I don't have and I don't want to have any other clients.
Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @12:40PM (#20607575)
Incorporation in another country is too risky for me.
Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @12:39PM (#20607568)
Couldn't I just pay all of that stuff by my own to show them I have no intention to do so? I want everything to be legal. I do not want to save any money in taxes, health insurance or social insurance. I am actually happy to pay all this. Nevertheless I heard horror stories even by doing so you are at risk they will f..k you anyway after a Prüfung (audit) within the first five years or so.
Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @12:37PM (#20607552)
Yes, I think it is at least 2-3k€ per year even for an empty GmbH.
Re:Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote? on Sunday August 04, 2019 @09:25AM (#20606384)
You mean VISA in the US? I want to stay in Germany (I am a German citizen).

I would plan to be there for a significant time, more than three years.

Ask HN: Germans, how to work legally remote?

Hey there,being a freelancer in Germany is possible and well-known if you have multiple clients throughout the year and follow some rules.However, being a remote worker and employee of a US corp/startup seems to be a grey zone to me because German law requires to work maximum 80% of your time for one client only.How do you solve that problem? Is there even a legal way to do that?I also thought...

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Re:Ask HN: What have the past 12 months taught you? on Sunday July 21, 2019 @08:08AM (#20490992)
Can we get in touch, please? Sounds like my mind has worded these sentences. You find my mail in my account. Thanks!