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Upboating to save you from the humorless neo-Victorian nationalists that have dominated HackerNews.

There was this one time I was watched a whole bunch of old media agitprop reciting various tropes on how things should be and when I did what TV told me to do, people responded negatively! It doesn't matter if those people were also exposed to the same trope and became skeptical of it based on their own experience... or if my imitation of the trope was ham fisted... I'M THE SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE HERE. How dare others have opinions of how my favorite trope should work!

TV would never lie to me :^(

Competition heats up as programming languages get easier... and people obsess over being accepted by their peers? We learned from punch cards, through flame wars, and when being a nerd was actually a bad thing to your social status.

Sigh. Sigh.

Programming is no longer a science, it is a liberal art. You're just plumbers now.

Failing to see why pop morality is on HackerNews?

I never said negotiations SHOULD be between two people. I said that they are.

Tell me, when is the last time you engaged in a negotiation with more than one person at the same time? And if you did, why are you intentionally crushing your odds like that? Have you ever conducted a negotiation in your life?

So you believe that corporations are people and that individuals with low skill sets and spare time even know how to represent, let alone index, what their best interests actually area?

And if you think mythical unicorn unison is the anti-corporate underdog, you should really come live in a highly pro-union state sometime outside of the SanFran bubble and watch your job opportunities vanish to seniority and petty local politics.

It's low enough that robots will do it in 5 years. No amount of down votes is going to stop that. Lol @ hacker news burying this obvious technical advancement in the name of mythical unicorn unionism.

> If all of Uber's drivers banded together and simply decided not to drive until their terms were met, they'd likely have a good deal of leverage over Uber without any government intervention required

I have experience with unions and I can tell you that if every Uber driver on earth were to protest right here, right now.. and all you will be doing is creating job openings for other people who will happily get paid less to get the job done.

Driving people to and fro isn't exactly a highly skilled job and there is no shortage of people who are made poor because of a car payment.

Comments like this are just more proof of HackerNew's magical thinking regarding unions.

So taxi drivers are going back to their native countries at the end of every shift?

Unions, especially service unions revolving around local physical transportation, depend entirely on nationalism. Without a sympathetic federal entity that can supersede local definitions of what work is, you're just a ragtag pack of misfits.

And owning a cellphone in general is an invasion of privacy. To single out Uber and ignore the NSA entirely is the hallmark of a hit piece's attempt at deflection.

You can't force anyone to treat anyone fairly. All negotiations between two people are exactly that: Between two people. Adding an arbiter only centralizes corruption and makes it easier for the already powerful to get even cheaper labor. Cubans get paid $30 a week while the arbiter mechanism takes the rest.

I think the problem is HackerNews is full of people who grew up in free market capitalism and are now fantasizing about what life would be like under mythical unicorn unionism. It's like some kind of forbidden fruit around here.

Can HackerNews please stop sympathizing with nationalist unions? The perpetual civil war that was the 20th century ended quite some time ago. You can stop fighting those battles now. The losers of that fight have been preordained and now everything just has to play out How do I know this? Simple.

When automated cars happen, services like Uber win and antique systems of unions will run to pedantic legal protectionism. When did HackerNews become the hub of pro-nationalist union propaganda anyways?

It means the internet allows people to communicate, share ideas, and form cultural bonds and identities outside of the highly-restricted context of national frameworks.

This is technically correct in concept, but not in practice, as organized religion existed long before the formalization of the nation-state. In fact, one can even argue that nationalism is an agnostic subdivision of organized theology since it utilizes identical symbol worship mechanisms.

What's even more problematic is that you have been downvoted on a community that was founded by people who participated in building the tech responsible for forging history's first self-sustaining post-nationalist identity (the internet) in history.

The nation-state must be the enemy, which can only be defeated by a nation-state... because the concept of a nation-state is dying and is engaging in full blown Hegelian dialectics to keep itself afloat. Unions, nationalists, and identity zealots have been having a field day with HackerNews as of late.

Half-hearted attempt by the collapsing mass media machine to conflate shitty attempts at DNS filtering as the next SOPA in the hopes the "angry poli-tech" types will run with it to drown out the fact that a darling entertainment exec and devote Democrat is actually racist.

http://data.influenceexplorer.com/contributions/#Y29udHJpYnV...

But Firefox CEO can lose his job because he donated to a Republican once. That's cool.

"until every person gets an adequate basic income so people don't need to be employed."

Hand-waving pleb magnets like this (the statement, not the person stating) show a painfully inept understanding of how autonomous labor is going to work.

Once Moore's Law crosses the processing power/price ratios where robots can perform "good enough" object acquisition and manipulation, (pre-Singularity phase) no nation on earth can deflate their currency fast enough to stop charlatans from promoting wholesale human elimination instead of inflationary appeasement.

Meaning, after the "good enough" threshold is crossed, nations will engage in inflationary policies to bide time while desperately seeking a clearing price for human labor. But they won't find it for most labor because of two factors:

1.) At the most efficient time usage (under politically impossible configurations and assuming equal productivity), in which people work 18 hour days forever and utilize 6 hours of sleep, 1 machine's labor equals 1.25 human's labor. Typically, 1 machine's labor equals 3 human's labor. Accounting for productivity enhancement, the comparison will be about as worthwhile to make as comparing engines to horses today. (My drone is 500 plebpower?)

2.) It takes 12 years (again, under politically impossible standards) and ~18,000 pounds of food to make a human productive. It takes a drone a few weeks to be born out of a few gallons of fuel, and a few pounds of materials.

The real cost of labor is staggering. And if you think people are stupid enough to fall for the trap (again) to use the productive gains of a new technology to do nothing more than cycle it all back into a mechanism to breed more humans into existence, I think you will be in for a rude awakening when human costs drop so low from endless inflation appeasement that using said drones to harvest these surplus humans for their physical materials becomes wildly profitable. And if the charlatans can make even HackerNews believe North Korea was behind the Sony hacks and clamor for invasion, just imagine how easy it will be to manufacture some social justice narrative for mining populations centers for biomaterials. ("Those evil sexists need to be mined! For great equality!")

TL;DR: Once the price of human labor drops to sub-zero levels due to political appeasement via inflation to counter "good-enough" drones, it will be more profitable to crush human organization than promote it.

Notice a pro-union/pro-mercantilist/pro-nationalist comment is at the top, while this comment was flagkilled. It is very possible some entity outside of the community hivemind is intentionally crafting a narrative... and this isn't the only thread they are targeting. Why? Because this post isn't even on the front page anymore.

Because that would make you... a believer of an out-of-touch white middle class moral framework that has failed to predict anything.

Are you going to factor in China and India from the same time period?

Globalism works due to inequality. Nationalism works due to inequality. Tribalism works due to inequality. The dirty secret of civilization is that someone has to dig the graves. Why pretend it's an evil from your middle class morally righteous soap box instead of allowing people the means to participate as simply as possible?

Bombastic click bait morality.

IPhones are affordable because of wealth inequality. Oil is cheap because of wealth inequality. Organic food is purchasable because of wealth inequality. Hipster clothes can be owned because of wealth inequality.

And yet, none of these goods are targeted because those who use them are susceptible to pro-union shilling.

Stop the painfully forced guilt complex from this out-of-touch middle class white perspective. I wish I could have easily sold my spare time for more money when I first moved here with P2P labor systems like Uber... but I had to wait for a central bank's liquidity push to eventually intice small business hiring, some union to not bump a new guy for someone's seniority, or some corporation wonk to figure out a new growth market. Oh, yes, I just felt so equal in that system of waiting for people "smarter" than me to justify needing me.

People should have access to the means to sell their time and labor where ever and when ever they want. Period.

If JavaScript was so simple that we could force it into a singular model of ontology and be done with it once and for all, we would be so simple we could not.

Simply put, prototypical methodology reflects the mutability of reality. Object-oriented methodology reflects a visualization of reality.

Faith in an AI clasification that is invented from a human mind bound by the biases Derrida described long before people could put faith in strong AI?

Sorry, I don't do faith. I do correlation. You just hate Derrida and can't apply any of his observations.

The human does not discover AI. It invents it. And all of the cognitive biases we have are passively passed on with every "axiom" of AI we create. The idea of even classifying AI is ontologically invalid... for the reasons Derrida already pointed out.

That's not what is done in NLP because that cannot be done by NLP... for the reasons that Derrida pointed out decades ago.

... until a later bystander asks you, "What is a dog?" and you now have to define it without the associated dog present.

Or someone looks at another breed of dog and asks "What is that?" because he isn't aware of canine taxonomy and thinks only that original breed is a creature called "dog".

Welcome to Derrida's version of the halting problem. These are actual problems of NLP today.

Derrida spoke of the absurdity of deriving meaning from an infinitely recursive and self referent system of language. Pureness of axiom isn't detectable in a mergable feedback loop. However, his critique doesn't show the shortcomings of how we neurologically handle symbols, it shows the incompleteness of human cognition. Derrida is to political epistemology as Turing is to serial bits or Godel is to arithmetic. Keep this in mind for compiler design and neural network structure.

Red herring. Price points on techniques that actually reduce your attack surface do not make techniques that don't magically gain abilities.

Go ahead. Disable SSH, firewalls, and VPNs and just run loggers all day. I'm sure you'll feel super duper secure then. Heuristics never fail!

My rate is $150 an hour and I will create the most perfect and secure and tiniest attack surface for your brand new logging cluster.

These comments disturb me more than the article. Saying more cameras prevent crime is like saying more logging reduces your attack surface. Let's just ditch firewalls and add kernel dumps everywhere instead. My rate is $150 an hour.

Sometimes, HNs political naivety deeply undermines their technological contributions.