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Re:The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution by jrcii on Sunday August 02, 2015 @05:49PM (#9992623)
Salvation
Re:The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution by davesque on Sunday August 02, 2015 @11:28PM (#9993594)
Okay, I've cooled down a bit and I'll say this: You're free to believe whatever you want to believe. Can I just request that, in the future, you don't come in guns blazing and saying that all people need is Jesus? It's great if Christianity is working for you. Try and understand that it doesn't work for everyone.
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Re:The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution by MattPearce on Sunday August 02, 2015 @08:43PM (#9993142)
EDIT: To provide context since the parent comment was deleted, they were asking for a logical breakdown of why Jesus would require worship in order to provide salvation.

To break it down: God is completely pure (without sin). To be with God (which is what we would call 'salvation') we would also need to be without sin. Obviously, no human is without sin - meaning we could never be with God. Prior to Jesus, we were required to sacrifice things in order to atone for our sins and get right with God. Jesus provided an eternal, perfect sacrifice to pay for everyone's sins. It isn't so much that we need to worship Him, more that we need to accept the sacrifice He has already provided - if we reject the sacrifice, the full penance for all our actions is on us, and we can never be with God.

Re:The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution by cbd1984 on Monday August 03, 2015 @03:41AM (#9994292)
> Obviously, no human is without sin

Objection: Not obvious in the slightest.

Sarcasm aside, though, it's such a wonderful little rhetorical trick to introduce an otherwise indefensible point with the prefix that it is "Obvious" that to let it go unmentioned would be criminal.