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Re:Europe's Waiting Room by noir_lord on Sunday August 02, 2015 @04:27PM (#9992309)
As a Brit and someone who leans to the left, I've no issue with us as a society taking people in who require aid but that has to come with conditions attached primarily that they respect the culture they want to settle in.

That said I've also no interest in taking more people in who think that intolerance of their intolerance is wrong, enough of this already, the liberals (at least that part of it I don't consider myself a part of) have been grappling with this issue for a while "How do you respect the beliefs of people who don't respect your beliefs" and they still don't have a clear answer.

Here in the UK we've had numerous cases of child sexual abuse (rape, sexual slavery, passing girls around up to 60 men and some shit I don't ever want to read again) against vulnerable (overwhelmingly white) girls perpetrated by what the media euphemistically calls "asian" men (but in reality have been way over 90% Muslim's of Pakistani descent), the councils, authorities and the police knew this was happening but where so worried about the political fallout of been seen to target (even though they where committing the crime) members of the Muslim Pakistani community they backed off and basically looked the other way (even when members of that community where publicly speaking out about the problem!).

1400 vulnerable often in care white girls in Rotherham alone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploit...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_sex_gang

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_sex_gang

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterborough_sex_abuse_case

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banbury_sex_gang

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylesbury_sex_gang

Estimates of the numbers abused runs into the thousands if not tens of thousands.

I number amongst my friends many people of indian and pakistani descent and they are just the same as anyone else in that they are appalled about this stuff - to the extent they are angry that the authorities didn't crack down on it, they know they get tarred with the same brush and that is tragic.

Re:Europe's Waiting Room by atmosx on Sunday August 02, 2015 @04:39PM (#9992372)
I lean as left as there is to go, but reality hits you at some point: There are neighborhoods in Athens where you can't walk at night because of Pakistani gangs. These neighborhoods voted for Golden Dawn because they supported them (by violently removing the Paki-gangs). Of course GD didn't stop at the gangs, they removed everyone who wasn't looking Greek enough.

You can't solve this problem by hosting people. You solve this problem by actively supporting anti-WAR campaings and removing from power parties who made/support wars.

All these Syrian refugees (God help them) who pass through Greece wanna go in central Europe and the UK. They do not intend to stay here (Greece). Some will stuck here, some will pass the borders... These were create by the NATO (Greece is part of the NATO and the UK is a strong member of the NATO).

That's why every time you hear someone talking about "attacking" a country in middle east, you should really think about where all these people will go...

Re:Europe's Waiting Room by erikpukinskis on Sunday August 02, 2015 @04:40PM (#9992374)
And you are confident that these crimes are not just being reported but are in fact happening at a higher rate among brown people?
Re:Europe's Waiting Room by venomsnake on Sunday August 02, 2015 @05:03PM (#9992476)
In the Rotherdam case police ignored reports of fear to be labeled racists ...
Re:Europe's Waiting Room by noir_lord on Sunday August 02, 2015 @05:14PM (#9992501)
Not just the police, in one of the cases a council worker spoke out clearly on what was happening was sent to "sensitivity" training.

Unless you combat this stuff openly with the full power of the law you create a breeding ground for the far-right.

Re:Europe's Waiting Room by noir_lord on Sunday August 02, 2015 @05:24PM (#9992531)
No idea, the figures are murky however I'm confident that if several hundred (or more - they where 'selling' them to a far wider group) white Christian men had raped and via organised trafficking abused several thousand Muslim girls it wouldn't have been left by the authorities for over a decade to fester.

In our efforts to appear tolerant we tolerate the intolerable, multiculturalism has failed, I saw a news report the other day that said more British born Muslims (out of 2.5 million) had gone to join Isis than had gone from Indonesia (205 million Muslims) - something is obviously very very wrong here.

Re:Europe's Waiting Room by erikpukinskis on Sunday August 02, 2015 @05:47PM (#9992612)
> if several hundred white Christian men had raped and via organised trafficking abused several thousand Muslim girls it wouldn't have been left by the authorities to fester

Isn't that exactly what just happened? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_explo...

> In our efforts to appear tolerant we tolerate the intolerable, multiculturalism has failed.

I wouldn't ask you to tolerate it, but I might suggest you ignore it if there are similar things happening closer to home in your life, and put your focus on those things. It's not racist to fight against a brown rapist but it is racist to fight against brown rapists while ignoring white rapists in your community.

Re:Europe's Waiting Room by noir_lord on Sunday August 02, 2015 @06:24PM (#9992726)
Did you even read the link you just posted?