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Re:Django Girls one year later by ZenoArrow on Friday July 31, 2015 @02:50PM (#9983565)
You're overthinking it. They're doing those things because they're fun things to do. If someone gave a programming workshop and had a games room where you could play arcade games, air hockey, shoot pool and play pinball on your breaks, I certainly wouldn't complain. I'd even like trying yoga and cupcakes!
Re:Django Girls one year later by Udo on Friday July 31, 2015 @02:59PM (#9983622)
I agree that Joe is probably overthinking it, but at the same time, I would be turned off to find myself at a programming event that plays up my "maleness" by stuffing in lots of sports things ;) On the other hand, I find flowers infinitely less annoying than football, so...

One of the deeper issues that will probably never go away for many people in tech (no matter their gender) is the realization that completely fitting in is unlikely to ever happen, and that maybe this is a good thing. To pick up one of the metaphors used in the article: yes, if you're a squirrel, at first glance it may seem that all the other creatures in the forest are completely identical badgers - but upon further investigation it turns out they're all aliens from thousands of different planets, each wearing badly-made badger costumes [which, by the way, is also almost exactly the narrative of the original presentation - just watched it].

Re:Django Girls one year later by ZenoArrow on Friday July 31, 2015 @04:30PM (#9984259)
> "I agree that Joe is probably overthinking it, but at the same time, I would be turned off to find myself at a programming event that plays up my "maleness" by stuffing in lots of sports things ;) On the other hand, I find flowers infinitely less annoying than football, so..."

The issue isn't really the things, but in feigning interest in the things that don't interest you. You don't have to pretend to like something, but at the same time you can still find ways to share time with those that do. You cannot design an event which is all things to all people, the answer to being inclusionary is not to be dull, instead it's about inspiring people, and you might as well have some fun trying to do it.

Re:Django Girls one year later by sliverstorm on Friday July 31, 2015 @08:18PM (#9985269)
... which kind of highlights how gender divides, once established, reinforce themselves. This group of women chose cupcakes and yoga; in the past (mostly) male teams I have been on chose laser tag and go karts.

Do I like cupcakes? Sure. Do women enjoy laser tag? They kick my butt plenty often. But it makes the workplace less accessible to people who don't like cupcakes or laser tag.

Really I wonder if we're just seeing that a workplace naturally has a culture, not everyone always fits in, and because in this case the divide roughly aligns with a protected class we are caught off-guard and concerned.

(Getting rid of culture in workplaces doesn't seem like a solution)

Re:Django Girls one year later by ZenoArrow on Saturday August 01, 2015 @03:18AM (#9986248)
You're making a mountain out of a molehill. Nobody said these things have to be set in stone, the idea is just to try things and see if you enjoy them.

So it was cupcake tasting this week. You don't like cupcakes? That's fine. Next week it's yoga. Don't like yoga? That's fine. The week after that it's etc...

The way you want to paint it is that you have to like certain things to be 'one of us', the real message is that you can be different and still be 'one of us'. As I said before, you can't be all things to all people. The idea is to make things inclusionary by being fun, and I hope they continue, even if people want to make a point of being offended about eating cupcakes at a programming class.

Re:Django Girls one year later by joe_the_user on Friday July 31, 2015 @03:42PM (#9983907)
They're doing those things because they're fun things to do

There are games and activities that don't gender stamped all over them, yes. But cupcakes and yoga are pretty close to the activities which have some gender-attachments.

Re:Django Girls one year later by Isamu on Friday July 31, 2015 @04:06PM (#9984083)
You shall not pry cupcakes from my masculine paws.

Male hackers rise up against those who would steal thy cupcake-loving birthright!

Re:Django Girls one year later by ZenoArrow on Friday July 31, 2015 @04:51PM (#9984404)
I hear you brother!