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Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by Sir_Substance on Thursday July 30, 2015 @06:47PM (#9978756)
>We have voice recognition since at least late 90's but you have to spend long hours training

Microsoft could ship their pre-trained dataset with the computer, or make it available as a download. They choose not to.

Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by mynameisvlad on Thursday July 30, 2015 @07:06PM (#9978843)
gok covered this fairly well in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9978755

It's a big, really big dataset, and things get far better the more data you have. In order to even have it, let alone keep it up to date, a significant amount of space and memory would be needed.

Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by Sir_Substance on Thursday July 30, 2015 @07:28PM (#9978955)
That dataset contains languages and accents that are not relevant to me. It could easily be culled to a size where it's no compromise on language+region of birth alone.
Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by mynameisvlad on Friday July 31, 2015 @12:09AM (#9979879)
It's multiple gigabytes for a single language and accent. I wasn't even talking about the full dataset across languages.

You don't seem to understand the size requirements for getting a good dataset. Don't you think Microsoft would have loaded up the dataset if it was easy and cheap? They didn't have a desktop cloud-based recognition service until literally yesterday, so they had many, many years to include this magical dataset that solves all your problems without cannibalizing another one of its products. They didn't because it's not feasible right now. In the future? Maybe, hell, probably.

Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by Sir_Substance on Friday July 31, 2015 @04:27AM (#9980581)
>It's multiple gigabytes for a single language and accent.

I have 602 GB free on my first hard drive, 519 free on my second, 699 on my third, 1.06TB free on my forth, 405GB free on my fifth and 46 free on my 6th.

If Microsoft would be kind enough to release it to me, I think I can probably find a corner to squeeze it into.

>Don't you think Microsoft would have loaded up the dataset if it was easy and cheap?

No, I don't. Microsoft wants our voice data, it's extremely valuable to them. They've figured out that there's gullible people like you who will swallow the "it can't be moved onto a local computer" tale hook, line and sinker, and thus give it to them for free.

Why are you doing that? Grow some cynicism.

Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by mynameisvlad on Friday July 31, 2015 @12:42PM (#9982746)
Do you also have that much memory? The dataset would need to be loaded into memory at all times recognition is used to be useful.

I never said storage is the limiting factor, in fact, I even said you need a significant amount of "space and memory".

Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by pmelendez on Friday July 31, 2015 @09:29AM (#9981595)
> That dataset contains languages and accents that are not relevant to me.

You are assuming that they have a different model for each language and region, which I don't think is true since Cortana understand my foreign accent besides of being using USA as a region (Canadian version works really well too).

> I have 602 GB free on my first hard drive, 519 free on my second, 699 on my third, 1.06TB free on my forth, 405GB free on my fifth and 46 free on my 6th.

Good for you, but I don't have that many free space. Gee, I only have 20Gb free on my laptop. I think you might be bias about your situation but not everyone has +1Tb of free space waiting to be used for a voice command.