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Re:Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock... by Dylan16807 on Thursday July 30, 2015 @06:44PM (#9978733)
Cute, but Firefox doesn't revert you to defaults and having a button that does nothing but offer a signup is not 'forced integration'. You may not be able to delete it but it doesn't do anything whatsoever by default.
Re:Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock... by KeytarHero on Thursday July 30, 2015 @09:45PM (#9979461)
> Firefox doesn't revert you to defaults

You mean besides that time Firefox reverted everyone's search engine to Yahoo?

Re:Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock... by smacktoward on Thursday July 30, 2015 @10:42PM (#9979646)
It only switched your search engine if you'd never changed from the original default (Google). If you had ever switched the search box to use a different engine, FF continued to respect that.
Re:Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock... by ikurei on Friday July 31, 2015 @04:28AM (#9980584)
But why would I change it if I wanted Google, which incidentally is, I'm sure, what most people want? Leaving the default can be as much a choice as changing it.

(I'm on Mozilla's side in this discussion, but that particular move was terrible, even if not too consequential, in my opinion.)

Re:Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock... by afro88 on Friday July 31, 2015 @01:09AM (#9980026)
Not changing from the default is as much a choice as changing to something else. They shouldn't have changed it for updates, but for new installs.
Re:Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock... by lqdc13 on Friday July 31, 2015 @01:40AM (#9980105)
Unless you do the "refresh firefox" thing that shows up every time you have 5 addons installed.

The above experience is on the developer edition of firefox, as I haven't tried it on the normal stable release.

Re:Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock... by lurkinggrue on Friday July 31, 2015 @12:22PM (#9982634)
I had to deal with friends that were suddenly on yahoo and they didn't know why. So for a lot of people it was swapped out even if it was an accident.
Re:Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock... by ikeboy on Thursday July 30, 2015 @07:24PM (#9978933)
I think Firefox sets itself as the default when you upgrade it and choose default settings.
Re:Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock... by Dylan16807 on Thursday July 30, 2015 @07:35PM (#9978988)
I meant the search engine thing.

It's pretty normal for a program installer to set itself to handle files.

Re:Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock... by ikeboy on Thursday July 30, 2015 @07:40PM (#9979015)
So then what's wrong when an OS does it?
Re:Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock... by Dylan16807 on Thursday July 30, 2015 @08:12PM (#9979135)
The OS does set itself to do OS things.

OS shouldn't set your browser.

Re:Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock... by shmed on Thursday July 30, 2015 @11:57PM (#9979847)
It's one of the option during the first experience configuration of Windows 10. If you had another browser installed, one of the toggle is : do you want to use Edge as default browser. Hopefully, people that feel that strongly about their browser choice don't just use "Express settings" when installing a whole operating system.
Re:Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock... by ikeboy on Thursday July 30, 2015 @08:53PM (#9979311)
The OS update installs a new browser, which then sets itself as default.
Re:Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock... by Dylan16807 on Thursday July 30, 2015 @09:25PM (#9979400)
When it's installed automatically it doesn't have the same intent behind it that justifies changing the setting.
Re:Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock... by ikeboy on Thursday July 30, 2015 @10:39PM (#9979636)
Windows isn't installed automatically.

Let me lay out the analogy more explicitly. I install Firefox, and specifically choose for it not to be my default. I later download an updated version and choose default settings in the installation. Firefox then sets itself as the default browser; it overwrites my previous choice in favor of the default.

I install Windows. I specifically don't set explorer as the default. I install an updated version of Windows and choose default settings. Windows overrides my previous choice.

Re:Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock... by Dylan16807 on Friday July 31, 2015 @12:53AM (#9979992)
Right, neither should be doing that in the case of an update. Firefox when updated in the normal manner doesn't make itself the primary browser. Windows 10 is behaving badly.

Firefox will only change things if you specifically get a Firefox installer, where it thinking that's your intent is understandable.