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Re:Landlords are trying not to rent to startups in San Franc... by dataker on Thursday July 30, 2015 @05:58PM (#9978496)
While in SV, I couldn't understand the hate towards East Bay: it's fairly priced, close to the 'hub' and not as violent as otherwise portrayed.

Could anyone elaborate?

Re:Landlords are trying not to rent to startups in San Franc... by beatpanda on Thursday July 30, 2015 @06:19PM (#9978617)
90% racism but people will talk in endless circles to avoid admitting it.

Also, sssshhhh. Stop with the hype. Ruining one city is enough.

Re:Landlords are trying not to rent to startups in San Franc... by Epenthesis on Thursday July 30, 2015 @06:25PM (#9978653)
I always thought a BIG benefit of SoMa is the fact that you can draw employees from East Bay and South Bay (as well as SF itself).

On the other hand, a, say, San Mateo -> Oakland commute is pretty much untenable.

Re:Landlords are trying not to rent to startups in San Franc... by jwilliams on Thursday July 30, 2015 @06:46PM (#9978753)
Yup. This is a huge advantage to SoMa. I even hear hesitations around FiDi as it's not easily accessible by Caltrain (let alone Oakland).

The Central Subway and new Transbay Terminal might alter this. That said, I don't think the new Transbay will directly link with BART -- will still be a walk, which is a bit of a shame.

Re:Landlords are trying not to rent to startups in San Franc... by ZanyProgrammer on Thursday July 30, 2015 @07:25PM (#9978940)
Of course the FiDi is accessible by Caltrain-just get off at Momtgomery or Embarcadero. New stereotype of SF tech workers- lazy and class privileged!
Re:Landlords are trying not to rent to startups in San Franc... by thecage411 on Thursday July 30, 2015 @08:15PM (#9979146)
Caltrain doesn't have a stop at Montgomery or Embarcadero. You have to switch to BART before SF, walk, or take one of the muni lines that is slower than walking.
Re:Landlords are trying not to rent to startups in San Franc... by elsewhen on Thursday July 30, 2015 @08:27PM (#9979201)
i think you are confusing Caltrain and BART. Caltrain doesn't stop at Montgomery or Embarcadero, BART does.
Re:Landlords are trying not to rent to startups in San Franc... by jtfairbank on Thursday July 30, 2015 @06:57PM (#9978812)
I live in West Oakland and the favorite game is still "fireworks or gunshots". Its a great place to live if you're in your 20s, but I wouldn't want to move my family here. Maybe up by Berkeley is better?
Re:Landlords are trying not to rent to startups in San Franc... by beatpanda on Friday July 31, 2015 @12:48PM (#9982787)
Huh, that's funny, because West Oakland is mostly families and they are fighting for their lives to stay in their neighborhood due to pressure from people like you.

P.S. if you're scared, move.

Re:Landlords are trying not to rent to startups in San Franc... by jtfairbank on Monday August 03, 2015 @03:09PM (#9998976)
Not scared! Most of the families I've talked to around my neighborhood want to move out to a better / safer place. Could just be my specific block though.
Re:Landlords are trying not to rent to startups in San Franc... by some-guy on Thursday July 30, 2015 @07:08PM (#9978848)
I have lived in West Oakland and currently live in Adam's Point (both in Oakland's borders) and it feels like an entirely different city.
Re:Landlords are trying not to rent to startups in San Franc... by jtfairbank on Friday July 31, 2015 @01:21AM (#9980057)
Ah yeah, I can see why! But I'm a cheapo startup founder. My safety for a thousand bucks a month? Sure I'll give it up!
Re:Landlords are trying not to rent to startups in San Franc... by Obi_Juan_Kenobi on Thursday July 30, 2015 @06:09PM (#9978564)
East Bay is great. Oakland is starting to look like a decent city.

Doesn't mean there aren't real disadvantages, but it's something most people/startups should at least consider.

Re:Landlords are trying not to rent to startups in San Franc... by mdeeks on Thursday July 30, 2015 @06:58PM (#9978815)
Oakland is HUGE. You can't generalize it that much. There are so many sub area in Oakland that range from insanely dangerous and crappy all the way up to incredibly safe and beautiful (Rockridge, Piedmont). Also areas near Oakland like Emeryville are getting much nicer.

Unfortunately the prices in these places are also skyrocketing. I started paying $3k/mo for 1400sqft in a not great part of Emeryville last year. The current price for my exact same unit is $3400.

Re:Landlords are trying not to rent to startups in San Franc... by Domenic_S on Thursday July 30, 2015 @06:27PM (#9978659)
the East Bay is way bigger than Oakland/Berkeley. Walnut Creek, Pleasant Hill, the Lamorinda area, Danville, Pleasanton -- all very nice, safe towns with good bart access. No startups there though.
Re:Landlords are trying not to rent to startups in San Franc... by pd1 on Thursday July 30, 2015 @11:42PM (#9979793)
Those places are pretty far from SF though. Not unbearable, but you're probably looking at >1hr door to door.
Re:Landlords are trying not to rent to startups in San Franc... by Domenic_S on Friday July 31, 2015 @01:01PM (#9982859)
That's the point - you don't have to live in SF or rent office space in SF, you can avoid SF altogether while still having the benefits of the startup scene an hour away.
Re:Landlords are trying not to rent to startups in San Franc... by pinaceae on Thursday July 30, 2015 @06:46PM (#9978750)
sure there are, a lot focuses on enterprise though. the peoplesoft legacy lives on in various forms over here.
Re:Landlords are trying not to rent to startups in San Franc... by onedev on Thursday July 30, 2015 @06:01PM (#9978509)
Ego.
Re:Landlords are trying not to rent to startups in San Franc... by danans on Thursday July 30, 2015 @06:09PM (#9978561)
+ Fear of (on average) poorer population, classism, and other *isms encoded in the previous two.
Re:Landlords are trying not to rent to startups in San Franc... by klipt on Friday July 31, 2015 @03:57AM (#9980520)
East Bay rents went up ~30% in the last year. So people are moving there, and so the wave of gentrification spreads outwards...