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Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by matthewmacleod on Thursday July 30, 2015 @04:33PM (#9977841)
I appreciate what you're trying to say, but ultimately... Sucks to be you. If you don't want others to share that data, you'll have to stop interacting with them.
Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by Sir_Substance on Thursday July 30, 2015 @06:44PM (#9978732)
Do you hold such a hard line stance on the moral correctness of revenge porn, I wonder?

After all, if you don't want others to share the data, you shouldn't interact with them.

Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by PretzelPirate on Thursday July 30, 2015 @08:23PM (#9979179)
I think its probably pretty good advice to follow: If you don't want someone posting revenge porn after you break up, don't give them nude photos/videos. Its always a risk you either accept or avoid.
Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by pdabbadabba on Thursday July 30, 2015 @11:06PM (#9979707)
There is a clear moral distinction to be drawn between people who use Windows 10 knowing that it might be sharing some data with Microsoft, so its algorithms can streamline certain everyday tasks and those who maliciously upload their exes' sex tapes to the Internet without their consent.

There are huge differences here on at least three crucial dimensions: intent of the sharer, the audience with whom it is shared, and the sensitivity of the data shared.

Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by Sir_Substance on Friday July 31, 2015 @04:29AM (#9980586)
This is specifically in the context of your windows 10 install uploading data about me, without you asking me if that's ok. My wifi password over wifi sense, for example.
Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by pdabbadabba on Friday July 31, 2015 @09:49AM (#9981716)
Yes. I understand that this is about "my" Windows 10 install sharing data about "you." I should have been more clear (and, unfortunately, the editing window has closed so I can't clarify). But if you re-read my comment with this in mind (as I had intended) it remains the case that while this a Bad Thing, and I see the analogy to revenge porn, it also is radically different in degree from revenge porn on several morally significant dimensions.
Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by batou on Thursday July 30, 2015 @04:41PM (#9977906)
I've done that. They revert to traditional methods like phone calls when they want or need something. Every time.

Sucks to be you if your relationships, be they business or personal, are as fragile as a volatile technology.

Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by Zarel on Thursday July 30, 2015 @05:29PM (#9978290)
And let me guess, they don't have your phone number memorized; they probably save your phone number in their phone's contacts list alongside your name, which is automatically backed up in the cloud in either Google Contacts or iCloud depending on what phone they use.

Expecting your friends not to use cloud services seems a bit unreasonable and unenforceable. Are you really going to tell all your friends they should write down or memorize your phone number instead of storing it in their phone?

Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by batou on Thursday July 30, 2015 @05:40PM (#9978384)
No as that information is public.

What we talk about isn't.

Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by throwaway125 on Thursday July 30, 2015 @11:16PM (#9979733)
While your name and phone number are public, the list of people who have your phone number saved is not public. These companies can effectively map who you associate with only by looking at other people's phones. They can profile you by association, and that is very wrong.

At some point privacy is no longer a choice, not a real choice anyway. You get to chose between participating in society or keeping your privacy. It shouldn't have to be this way, but it is.

Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by Zarel on Thursday July 30, 2015 @08:23PM (#9979180)
Oh, uh, I thought you were talking about your name.

Microsoft collects your friends' names so it can spell their names correctly when you use speech-to-text or related features. I thought that's what you were objecting to. What kind of data are you talking about?

Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by batou on Thursday July 30, 2015 @08:24PM (#9979188)
Conversations (SMS backup), photos (onedrive), email (outlook/office365), calls (skype) etc etc.
Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by juliangregorian on Thursday July 30, 2015 @05:37PM (#9978347)
If you really are as charming in real life as you are online, people might indeed accede to your quaint insistence on anachronistic media, until they don't.

Personally, I require that all my so-called friends communicate with me in morse code over short wave radio. It works a treat.

Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by batou on Thursday July 30, 2015 @05:40PM (#9978373)
I was a QRP operator so that's actually quite funny.
Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by vmay on Thursday July 30, 2015 @11:27PM (#9979763)
I like CW too :)
Re:I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 by quadrangle on Saturday August 01, 2015 @11:57AM (#9987491)
You mean "sucks to be any normal person today."

The ramifications of the destruction of anonymity and privacy affect everyone whether or not we understand enough right now to get this.

Also, "sucks to be all these people who would benefit from interacting with me but where I may stop interacting".

This is not a problem that is a personal, individual problem. This is a social problem. Period.