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Re:Why Can't Streaming Services Get Classical Music Right? by sneak on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @05:28AM (#9967343)
"The other huge issue, in terms of classical streaming, is sound quality. It stands to reason that picky, "elitist" classical music fans would also be picky about audio standards as well. And while it's entirely true that bit rates don't matter one whit when you're listening through standard-issue earbuds, most of the best-established current services don't emphasize great audio quality. Mahler's epic, sweeping Fifth Symphony, for example, is a watery shadow of itself when I hear it (listening on very good headphones) at 160 kpbs on Spotify's free service. Lossless sound is one of the biggest points of differentiation that Tidal is trying to make for itself, but so far the scope of their classical offerings and the quality of their metadata have been a disappointment."

This person has never ABX tested 160kbps lossy versus lossless. This bogus and unfounded claim calls the rest of his expert assertions into question.

Even on ideal headphones/amp, I know no one who can consistently identify 160kbps from original PCM in an ABX test.

Re:Why Can't Streaming Services Get Classical Music Right? by creshal on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @05:48AM (#9967431)
Consistently, maybe not. But I have a few songs in my library that, despite 256kbps bitrate, have half-second encoding artefacts (i.e., maybe six seconds in some 80+ hours collection) that always made me go "whoa, why does my speaker sound funny? …oh, it's that song again" until I canned them – I had them both as MP3 and FLAC in my library due to just importing everything on my HDD. After I wasted time checking speaker cables for the fifth time, I just deleted the MP3 versions.

With FLAC/PCM you simply don't have any "is the bitrate sufficient? Is there no encoder nor decoder bug that introduces artefacts despite sufficient bitrate?" questions, which for me is worth the increased storage requirements.

Re:Why Can't Streaming Services Get Classical Music Right? by masklinn on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @07:04AM (#9967760)
And you've got the bonus that FLAC uses vorbis comment metadata which is completely arbitrary (the vorbis spec has a list of non-mandatory examples of fields)
Re:Why Can't Streaming Services Get Classical Music Right? by rhaps0dy on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @06:44AM (#9967691)
That's why I use variable bitrate.
Re:Why Can't Streaming Services Get Classical Music Right? by stinos on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @08:12AM (#9968041)
This bogus and unfounded claim calls the rest of his expert assertions into question.

Let's not overgeneralize. One bogus claim (about sound quality) does not render the rest of the assertions (mainly about metadata and how accurate information is missing on streaming services) faulty.

On topic: as others mentioned, don't you think some types of music lends itself better to being recognized as 160kbps vs lossless than other, and classical with it's typical larger dynamic range than a standard pop song would be one of those types? I'm not saying the author's claim is valid, nor invalid, just that it's not completely impossible he was hearing it was not lossless. Though I doubt it.

Re:Why Can't Streaming Services Get Classical Music Right? by sneak on Thursday July 30, 2015 @12:10PM (#9975960)
> Let's not overgeneralize. One bogus claim (about sound quality) does not render the rest of the assertions (mainly about metadata and how accurate information is missing on streaming services) faulty.

No, but one bogus claim asserted strongly from a clear position of ignorance calls the likelihood of his accuracy into question.

It's not an overgeneralization, just a simple matter of credibility. I am less likely to believe he is properly objective in evaluating other criteria as he has completely failed to be objective or rigorous in evaluating this one.

Re:Why Can't Streaming Services Get Classical Music Right? by chestnut-tree on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @06:58AM (#9967738)
"...sound quality"

BBC Radio 3 in the UK streams classical music at 320kbs over the internet. (I'm not sure if international users get this high bitrate stream or a lower bitrate though.)

Re:Why Can't Streaming Services Get Classical Music Right? by fleshgolem on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @06:34AM (#9967642)
Even if he could... maybe he should just use the paid option with enhanced quality, especially if he starts comparing the thing to Tidal