News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today by shocks on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @04:26AM (#9967070)
You can use VLC. After your comment, I wasn't sure why that was the case. Apparently:

> Neither French law nor European conventions recognize software as patentable (see French section below). Therefore, software patents licenses do not apply on VideoLAN software.

From http://www.videolan.org/legal.html

Re:Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today by jbk on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @05:48AM (#9967438)
(disclaimer: I wrote that page :) )

Well, there are 2 legal parts that apply here: - DRM - software patents.

Software patents for DVDs are almost all over (it's a 20 year old technology). And in Europe, we don't have valid software patents.

On the DRM part, libdvdcss is not DeCSS, it's either finding the right key or brute-forcing to find the right key. In order to play a DVD, you need to "open" the DRM, else you cannot have playback.

In the case of VLC+libdvdcss-bundle, it's usually fine in (sane) juridictions because it's a player, not violating the copyrights holders. On some other, it's illegal.

Re:Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today by throwawaykf05 on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @07:20AM (#9967812)
> And in Europe, we don't have valid software patents.

That is categorically untrue, and you should stop telling people that. In Europe, software is not patent-eligible "as such", but it is if it solves a technical problem.

The only thing that eliminates is "business method" patents, which are just a subset of what people generally refer to as "software patents".

Re:Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today by egeozcan on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @09:51AM (#9968593)
I'm interested, could you please give an example?
Re:Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today by yrro on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @07:14PM (#9972267)
Re:Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today by Joeri on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @07:02AM (#9967751)
The underlying motivation of the encryption on DVD's goes beyond preventing piracy. It's about making sure you cannot skip past the ads at the start of the movie. They needed a mechanism to require all DVD players to respect the flags on a DVD that say "this cannot be skipped", and did that by pushing it into the 1996 WIPO treaty that you must have anti-circumvention laws that prohibit people from breaking the encryption on copyrighted materials without the permission of the rights holder. Only licensed players are decrypting with permission. VLC is not a licensed player, so VLC often runs afoul of such laws.

Just because the patents expire doesn't make the anti-circumvention laws go away. Those laws only stop applying once the copyright on the DVD expires, in a century or so.

Re:Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today by kuschku on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @09:01AM (#9968307)
Well, those anti-circumvention laws, for example in Germany, only apply in some cases. For example, as soon as software is included on the CD, too, breaking the DRM becomes legal.
Re:Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today by acqq on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @04:30AM (#9967094)
But see also this (on the same page) if you're using VLC in the US:

"libdvdcss

libdvdcss is a library that can find and guess keys from a DVD in order to decrypt it. This method is authorized by a French law decision CE 10e et 9e sous­sect., 16 juillet 2008, n° 301843 on interoperability.

NB: In the USA, you should check out the US Copyright Office decision that allows circumvention in some cases."

Re:Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today by shocks on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @04:32AM (#9967103)
Ah interesting! I missed that.
Re:Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today by noinsight on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @04:41AM (#9967131)
That is actually illegal in Finland because it's illegal to circumvent the copy protection. Technically you need a licensed player. A few people have turned themselves in for watching a DVD on Linux and they received a token fine.
Re:Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today by jbk on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @05:44AM (#9967412)
> That is actually illegal in Finland because it's illegal to circumvent the copy protection.

How do you not circumvent the copy protection to read a DVD?

(See my various talks about libdvdcss)

Re:Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today by theandrewbailey on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @09:16AM (#9968365)
It's probably not circumvention if you're using a licensed reader/player.
Re:Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today by germanier on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @05:29AM (#9967350)
I'm pretty sure it isn't (anymore) in all cases or it would run afoul EU Directive 2001/29 (see also the ECJ Nintendo case of 2014).
Re:Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today by airza on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @05:12AM (#9967261)
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to circumvent the copy protection in the US, as well.
Re:Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today by germanier on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @05:34AM (#9967368)
I'm no expert in US law but this US copyright office decision suggests that it's legal in some cases: http://www.copyright.gov/1201/

The case here seems more related to the MPEG patents though.

Re:Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today by airza on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @01:36PM (#9970201)
My brain went to DeCSS, which, weirdly, the DVD licensing company lost because enough people had (illegally?) published it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_Copy_Control_Ass%27n,_Inc....

I think there was also the Sony jailbreaking guy who settled with Sony out of court.

Re:Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today by shocks on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @04:47AM (#9967163)
How much is the fine?
Re:Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today by noinsight on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @05:26AM (#9967335)
It's hard to find working links for old stuff (this was in ~2007), but...

The law made "organized discussion" about breaking copy protection illegal so they also created a website with the title "organized discussion" and displayed code for breaking the protection and someone also paid 5 cents for it after which they turned themselves in :)

Apparently the lower courts acquitted them but that was reversed and the supreme court didn't take the case. So the end result is that it's illegal but they didn't receive any penalties. Apparently the European court of human rights didn't accept the case either.

http://mjr.iki.fi/eucd/ (discussed here in Finnish)

http://www.digitoday.fi/yhteiskunta/2008/05/26/dvdn-katselu-... (news article about it)

Re:Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today by shocks on Wednesday July 29, 2015 @07:26AM (#9967834)
Heh, nice. Thanks!