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Re:Hacking Team: a zero-day market case study by archgoon on Sunday July 26, 2015 @03:46AM (#9950459)
> For future HN bug bounty/black market threads: note the absence of Facebook XSS vulns on these price lists. Nobody is paying tens of thousands of dollars for web vulns. Except the vendors. :)

Is this due to the fact that the value of a Facebook XSS vuln is very low, or that the high likelihood that Facebook will notice the vulnerability (possibly from another source) and patch the issue before a profit can be realized?

Re:Hacking Team: a zero-day market case study by grugq on Sunday July 26, 2015 @09:37AM (#9951009)
Re:Hacking Team: a zero-day market case study by nickpsecurity on Sunday July 26, 2015 @12:06PM (#9951393)
Makes sense to me.
Re:Hacking Team: a zero-day market case study by gfosco on Sunday July 26, 2015 @04:56AM (#9950572)
It's because Facebook, Google, and some others run generous bug bounties / white-hat programs. Without committing a crime, people can make a lot for disclosing it directly and confidentially. Vulnerabilities can pay 5-15k and there have been 30-40k payouts. Occasionally, you'll see a blog post explaining the process from detection to payment, like: http://homakov.blogspot.com/2013/02/hacking-facebook-with-oa...

FB paid out 1.3m in 2014. http://www.zdnet.com/article/facebook-bug-bounty-program-pai...

Re:Hacking Team: a zero-day market case study by tptacek on Sunday July 26, 2015 @11:03AM (#9951218)
No. Facebook is probably not outbidding the black market for their vulnerabilities. I think 'grugq is exactly right: the market for serverside vulnerabilities with hours-long half lives is very thin. Facebook could pay $500 for RCE, and so long as they do everything else they currently do for security, a thriving black market would not emerge for their vulnerabilities.

It's interesting to me that there's a real market price for an Adobe Reader flaw, but that Facebook flaws have (generous) fiat prices set by Facebook.

Re:Hacking Team: a zero-day market case study by gfosco on Sunday July 26, 2015 @03:11PM (#9951908)
I didn't say they're outbidding the black market, but they are quite generous and it is a legal action at that point. Makes sense to me, because they actually care about security and it's worth paying out to protect users and the brand. It also serves as a unique recruiting tool.
Re:Hacking Team: a zero-day market case study by FireBeyond on Sunday July 26, 2015 @06:52PM (#9952484)
Seems to me you could "quite easily" double dip.

Sell your exploit on the black market. A day later, sell it to the vendor. "Sorry, they must have found and patched it"? Just ask Facebook not to disclose your information when highlighting vulnerability payouts.

Re:Hacking Team: a zero-day market case study by tptacek on Monday July 27, 2015 @12:01AM (#9953248)
If you read this whole post, you'll see that buyers expect this behavior, and payments are escrowed or tranched to account for ti.
Re:Hacking Team: a zero-day market case study by Ded7xSEoPKYNsDd on Sunday July 26, 2015 @03:11PM (#9951909)
Google and Mozilla pay bounties for vulnerabilities in their browsers, too. Yet the market for these bugs is striving.
Re:Hacking Team: a zero-day market case study by x0x0 on Sunday July 26, 2015 @02:03PM (#9951729)
Is selling a vulnerability a crime? Does that depend on whom you sell it to?
Re:Hacking Team: a zero-day market case study by tptacek on Monday July 27, 2015 @12:02AM (#9953252)
1. No. 2. Not currently, unless you know they're using your bug to commit a crime, in which case you can assume liability for that crime by actively helping them.
Re:Hacking Team: a zero-day market case study by groupmonoid on Sunday July 26, 2015 @04:11AM (#9950500)
My heart wants to agree with Thomas, but I think we should remember this is a single data point and not generalize too hastily.