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Re:Can Desalination Counter the Drought? by alwaysdoit on Friday July 24, 2015 @01:58PM (#9943897)
> All told, it takes about 3460 kilowatts per acre-foot to pump water from Northern California to San Diego; Carlsbad will use about thirty per cent more energy, five thousand kilowatts per acre-foot, to desalinate ocean water and deliver it to households, according to Poseidon’s report to the Department of Water Resources

These units are abominations. Couldn't just say 2.8 Watts per liter vs 4.0 Watts per liter? Or even 10.6 and 15.3 Watts per gallon? I'm not a metric purist, but the only advantage to using imperial units is that they are more familiar to the average American, but when does the average person deal with acre-feet?

Re:Can Desalination Counter the Drought? by jonknee on Friday July 24, 2015 @02:05PM (#9943947)
Acre feet is how water is sold and talked about in agriculture.
Re:Can Desalination Counter the Drought? by duskwuff on Friday July 24, 2015 @02:56PM (#9944336)
They're especially useful in agriculture because rainfall, and crop water consumption, are typically measured in inches of water. (Which is really a kind of "cubic inches (of water) per square inch (of land)", but the units cancel out.) So if you know the net water requirements of some crop given the climate, and you know how many acres of land you intend to grow it on, acre-feet are a natural, easy-to-calculate unit to measure the water supply needed.
Re:Can Desalination Counter the Drought? by sampo on Friday July 24, 2015 @03:06PM (#9944400)
You also need to know that 1 foot (30.48 cm) is 12 inces (2.54 cm).
Re:Can Desalination Counter the Drought? by jonknee on Friday July 24, 2015 @03:27PM (#9944550)
Which everyone reading the New Yorker surely does.
Re:Can Desalination Counter the Drought? by freehunter on Friday July 24, 2015 @04:40PM (#9945041)
Which everyone in the US knows. Even very uneducated people.
Re:Can Desalination Counter the Drought? by sampo on Friday July 24, 2015 @08:38PM (#9946071)
I am from Europe, educated (PhD, if it matters), and I had to look it up. That's why I left the comment, to help others.
Re:Can Desalination Counter the Drought? by freehunter on Monday July 27, 2015 @02:29PM (#9957048)
No offense, but it's an article in the New Yorker about an issue in California. Your comment makes about as much sense as if you had said "yeah but you need to know that California is a state in the US". Europeans might not know it, but the target audience of the article certainly does. It's not exactly an extra bit of knowledge you need to learn, it's something you already know.
Re:Can Desalination Counter the Drought? by alwaysdoit on Friday July 24, 2015 @03:11PM (#9944435)
Which is fine, but presumably the majority of the New Yorker's audience is not in agriculture.
Re:Can Desalination Counter the Drought? by jonknee on Friday July 24, 2015 @04:02PM (#9944793)
Nor am I, but I know about acre feet from the thousands of articles that have been written about various droughts and agriculture water usage. It's also pretty easy to deduce on your own.
Re:Can Desalination Counter the Drought? by msandford on Friday July 24, 2015 @02:03PM (#9943932)
It doesn't even make sense! The units don't match up. Kilowatts are a measure of power, energy over time, and an acre-foot is a measure of volume, not flow (volume over time).

It's like saying how many horsepower it takes to drive from SF to LA. Makes no sense.

Re:Can Desalination Counter the Drought? by benkuykendall on Friday July 24, 2015 @03:24PM (#9944534)
Huh. So they are really talking about a pressure.

1 kWh/(acre ft) = 2919 Pa

It makes a great deal of intuitive sense that the quantity that describes how hard it is to move water over a path is a pressure.

Re:Can Desalination Counter the Drought? by oaktowner on Friday July 24, 2015 @02:10PM (#9943987)
Yes, they must have meant kilowatt hours. Was there no editor?
Re:Can Desalination Counter the Drought? by istorical on Friday July 24, 2015 @02:21PM (#9944095)
Scientific mistakes in a paper like the new yorker is like poor grammar in a startup CEO's writing.

It just happens.

Re:Can Desalination Counter the Drought? by seanflyon on Friday July 24, 2015 @05:06PM (#9945197)
It's sad that they mistook kilowatts for kilowatt-hours, but I think acre-foot is a good unit for measuring volumes of water. It helps communicate the scale of water use.
Re:Can Desalination Counter the Drought? by dredmorbius on Friday July 24, 2015 @05:32PM (#9945325)
Depends, though I suspect you're right.

But expressing energy requirements as power per unit can be quite useful. As in, kW per person or square meter. Though in that case you'd be expressing water delivery as a rate: acrefoot/day, say.

Re:Can Desalination Counter the Drought? by mtviewdave on Friday July 24, 2015 @03:35PM (#9944612)
>when does the average person deal with acre-feet?

An acre-foot of water is approximately the amount of water that a suburban household uses in one year, which is why that unit is used when talking about non-agricultural water usage.

Re:Can Desalination Counter the Drought? by beamatronic on Friday July 24, 2015 @02:17PM (#9944060)
> but when does the average person deal with acre-feet

When villifying almond farms for their water usage

Re:Can Desalination Counter the Drought? by bwy on Friday July 24, 2015 @02:22PM (#9944100)
I'm probably just ignorant, but I don't know too much about power (Is my light bulb usually around 80 W-h? 200W? 100kWh? I have no idea.) I think you're right, but I do also think the main point was the relative expenditure, a 30% increase.
Re:Can Desalination Counter the Drought? by sp332 on Friday July 24, 2015 @05:04PM (#9945186)
Incandescent bulbs are usually 60W but can be 40W for a reading lamp or 100W to light up a whole room. Those haven't been sold in most countries for a while now due to their extreme inefficiency, but other bulb types are often compared to a similar incandescent bulb. For example a 14W fluorescent bulb might say "60W equivalent".

Watt-hours really are as simple as they sound. A 14W bulb that's on for an hour used 14 Watt-hours.

Re:Can Desalination Counter the Drought? by ChuckMcM on Friday July 24, 2015 @06:20PM (#9945559)
Its also silly, since it takes zero kilowatts to pump water from San Diego to San Diego and if you're desalinating you have to realize that California is all coast line on the left hand side.