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Re:A call to PHP's mt_rand generates only odd numbers by BuildTheRobots on Friday July 24, 2015 @11:58AM (#9942860)
Outside of php and systemd.....

<Friday afternoon trolling is just too easy this week />

Re:A call to PHP's mt_rand generates only odd numbers by dspillett on Friday July 24, 2015 @12:43PM (#9943236)
And mySQL of old.

I assume things are much better now, but I remember a time when things like INSERT <table> (<date_field>) VALUES ('2015-02-30') would not have raised any sort of error, amongst other terrible things that people would defend having to implement explicit checks for in other layers of your application.

Re:A call to PHP's mt_rand generates only odd numbers by slapresta on Friday July 24, 2015 @02:32PM (#9944181)
> I assume things are much better now

Nope: http://grimoire.ca/mysql/choose-something-else

Re:A call to PHP's mt_rand generates only odd numbers by Spivak on Friday July 24, 2015 @02:27PM (#9944140)
I'm genuinely curious, what are some examples of systemd's odd behavior?
Re:A call to PHP's mt_rand generates only odd numbers by BuildTheRobots on Friday July 24, 2015 @04:07PM (#9944824)
Well, the fact my window manager is now intrinsically linked to my systems boot process strikes me as somewhat obscene. There was the amusement with it reacting to debug being passed to the kernel which caused the system to never finish booting...

systemd is by no means alone; in the last month I've discovered that `yum` deliberately breaks its output when you try and pipe it to something else (I mean really, ffs, really?). The justification for this isn't even internally consistent which really winds me up too...

Whilst I pick on a couple, there's been innumerable packages, languages and platforms over the years that have had their share of what could politely be called idiosyncrasies. I highly recommend The Unix Haters Handbook [1] for plenty of historic examples -it's a lovely read -oh, and for years one of the *nix bullet points was always "all the power in the world and not a safety in sight" [2]

[1] The Unix Haters Handbook: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unix-Haters_Handbook || http://www.csf.ac.at/fileadmin/user_upload/BioComp/training/...

[2] The Hole Hawg: https://web.archive.org/web/20150214132948/http://www.team.n...

Re:A call to PHP's mt_rand generates only odd numbers by RickHull on Friday July 24, 2015 @07:41PM (#9945891)
> Well, the fact my window manager is now intrinsically linked to my systems boot process strikes me as somewhat obscene.

Gnome depends on logind, which is sensible. Yes, logind is part of a suite of system management tools which also includes tools to manage the boot process.

Your complaint would apply equally to your window manager being intrinsically linked to your serial port (via the Linux kernel).

Re:A call to PHP's mt_rand generates only odd numbers by digi_owl on Saturday July 25, 2015 @01:55PM (#9948363)
Not just part of, logind will straight up not work if systemd is not running as pid1. As such, anything that depends on logind is dependent on a specific init sitting as pid1.
Re:A call to PHP's mt_rand generates only odd numbers by BuildTheRobots on Saturday July 25, 2015 @08:12AM (#9947353)
As an honest question, could you explain _why_ it's sensible?

Until a couple of years ago, my linux box was nearly entirely modular letting me install any combination of boot-loader, kernel, init system userland tools and/or desktop. How is this better?