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Re:Socialism, American-Style by PopeOfNope on Friday July 24, 2015 @09:03AM (#9941642)
Your attempt at applying mathematical logic to human affairs, as if one had anything to do with the other, is laughable.
Re:Socialism, American-Style by unprepare on Friday July 24, 2015 @11:29AM (#9942630)
Actually, this has nothing to do with mathematics other than one of the two examples being from geometry. This was pure deductive reasoning, a concept borrowed from philosophy.

Would you say that attempting to apply philosophy to human affairs is laughable? I would think that is the very basis of the field itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deductive_reasoning

Re:Socialism, American-Style by PopeOfNope on Friday July 24, 2015 @12:36PM (#9943176)
> Would you say that attempting to apply philosophy to human affairs is laughable?

If that was what you were doing, then I would applaud it. That's not what that was. You were focusing on precise inanities and using them to construct a logical sounding strawman in order to dismiss my point without having to address the main subject. This is a common rhetorical tactic knows as "disqualification."

Re:Socialism, American-Style by unprepare on Friday July 24, 2015 @12:57PM (#9943380)
I'll give you a new example to work with, scrubbed of geometry so you can more easily understand it:

Premise:

>Za is a subset of Z

>Za always results in behavior1

Conclusion:

> Z always results in behavior1

How does this argument prove that behavior1 occurs in all instances of Z, when you've only shown us that a subset of Z (in this case Za) exhibits behavior1?

How do you plan to prove that other subset Zb, Zc, Zd, etc follow this same rule when you've failed to provide even a single example?

Or if you still are unable to answer that question, can you please show us in what way i misrepresented your argument to create a strawman?

you not only have yet to actually address this point, you also have yet to address my point concerning your own words on hierarchy and the incompatibility with that and the idea of co-operative management of resources.

Once you can make your argument make sense, you can begin looking at counterarguments for fallacies and semantics, else you will have this situation where you are digging yourself a deeper hole by misunderstanding counterarguments and rashly trying to mislabel them as fallacies.

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Re:Socialism, American-Style by wfo on Friday July 24, 2015 @10:32AM (#9942230)
The poster you're responding to is trying to show you that your "argument" is nonsensical mindless garbage and has no basis in rational thought. And being very polite about it to boot.
Re:Socialism, American-Style by dang on Friday July 24, 2015 @06:09PM (#9945506)
Please don't insult other users on HN, even when you think they're wrong.

When the site guidelines ask you not to call names, "nonsensical mindless garbage" is the kind of thing they have in mind.

Re:Socialism, American-Style by wfo on Saturday July 25, 2015 @09:49PM (#9949801)
The post was so incendiary/insulting my natural inclination to strike back in kind got the better of me but I recognize fighting fire with fire does not make for a good community so I'm sorry about that and will watch it.