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Re:Snowden Meets the IETF by JoshTriplett on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @02:43PM (#9931491)
That's necessary, but not sufficient. We need both sane policies and technical measures to ensure that nothing less than those policies is possible. If we only have the technology, policy-makers can and will make life difficult both for the users and makers of these technologies; more draconian regimes will simply never allow those technologies to take root to begin with.
Re:Snowden Meets the IETF by makmanalp on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @03:38PM (#9931793)
I think this needs to be expressed more often. Not only will draconian regimes now allow it, but it's also harder to protect such systems at the ends. I saw a presentation by cperciva at some point that talked about the "Three B's": Bribery, Burglary and Blackmail. So tech should be one of many tools to combat oppressive societal structure - some other ones being more social and legal tools.
Re:Snowden Meets the IETF by cperciva on Thursday July 23, 2015 @10:30PM (#9939817)
The concept of the "three Bs" has been around for longer than I have. In my talk ("everything you need to know about cryptography in one hour") I added a fourth B, "guantanamo Bay", aka. torture.
Re:Snowden Meets the IETF by hueving on Monday August 03, 2015 @02:22PM (#9998519)
guantanamo bay is pretty lame in comparison to what other oppressive regimes will do.

I would suggest changing it to something more direct like "Breaking kneecaps" or something along those lines.

Re:Snowden Meets the IETF by enraged_camel on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @04:38PM (#9932154)
Either that, or they will simply intimidate and even torture people for their private keys.

May sound far-fetched, but it isn't.

Re:Snowden Meets the IETF by pigeons on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @06:07PM (#9932693)
Force them to intimidate and torture at least one side of every communication they want, instead of letting them intimidate and torture three or four centralized service operators to get everybody's communication.
Re:Snowden Meets the IETF by mirimir on Thursday July 23, 2015 @04:49AM (#9934644)
Far-fetched?

Not in the UK, for example.

> The Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 (RIPA), Part III, activated by ministerial order in October 2007,[20] requires persons to supply decrypted information and/or keys to government representatives with a court order. Failure to disclose carries a maximum penalty of two years in jail. The provision was first used against animal rights activists in November 2007,[21] and at least three people have been prosecuted and convicted for refusing to surrender their encryption keys,[22] one of whom was sentenced to 13 months' imprisonment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#United_King...

Re:Snowden Meets the IETF by rowofpixels on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @06:26PM (#9932788)
Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/538/