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Re:Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Inte... by lingben on Thursday July 16, 2015 @01:35PM (#9898620)
"Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

edit: although tangentially relevant, this case in Canada is hair raising: http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/christie-blatchfor...

Re:Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Inte... by keedot on Thursday July 16, 2015 @01:53PM (#9898783)
Christie Blatchford's skew is quite heavy in this reporting. I've seen the other side of the argument with some of the behaviours and tweets in question, and it's not so clear cut. I would definitely feel harassed by this individual, and in Canada, we do not claim to have the free speech as defined in America. Hate speech is not tolerated here, and most Canadians are in agreement with this. You can have a difference of opinion, but if you attack someone with words, there are legal consequences.
Re:Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Inte... by lingben on Thursday July 16, 2015 @02:25PM (#9899019)
'hate speech' has a very high bar and from the court details there is zero evidence that the defendant engaged in anything remotely approaching harrassment, never mind hate speech.

by their own admission and by the evidence, the plaintiffs however did engage in a pattern of behavior and organized others into the same pattern which resulted in a person not only being harassed but also losing their job.

it is not enough to say, 'I feel harrassed' or 'I feel hurt' - that does not meet the legal test. You have no right not to be offended.

by the token of 'feelings', I could say that your response is 'hate speech' towards me and that I 'felt' harrassed and I 'felt' that my personal safety was in jeopardy.

If I were to claim that, I should rightfully be pointed in the direction of a mental health professional, not a court of law.

Re:Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Inte... by keedot on Thursday July 16, 2015 @02:34PM (#9899068)
Right, which is why we have courts to determine the validity of the claims.
Re:Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Inte... by lingben on Thursday July 16, 2015 @03:31PM (#9899388)
Sure, but some things are self evident and it makes no sense to waste public funds on them.

If you hurt my feelings, that's neither a criminal nor civil offense.

"Sticks and stones..." silly me, I thought we all learned this in elementary school

Re:Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Inte... by keedot on Thursday July 16, 2015 @03:56PM (#9899531)
And yet teenagers still commit suicide because of online harassment. So words do hurt, and can even kill.
Re:Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Inte... by oldmanjay on Thursday July 16, 2015 @08:47PM (#9900773)
Words may hurt. No one denied this. Saying words killed because of the actions a person took after being hurt is incredibly disingenuous. Only the person who took the action is responsible.
Re:Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Inte... by keedot on Friday July 17, 2015 @11:32AM (#9903195)
That's a fairly ignorant view on mental state and peer group pressures on developing adolescent minds.
Re:Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Inte... by lingben on Thursday July 16, 2015 @04:11PM (#9899619)
I didn't say they don't. I said that 'hurt feelings' are not grounds for a criminal nor civil legal case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs

Re:Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Inte... by Pent on Thursday July 16, 2015 @06:35PM (#9900299)
>Hate speech is not tolerated here, and most Canadians are in agreement with this.

Please don't speak for the majority of Canadians. I am not in agreement with this and I speculate that many people living in Canada would object to it as well.

Re:Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Inte... by EvenThisAcronym on Thursday July 16, 2015 @04:20PM (#9899666)
>...and in Canada, we do not claim to have free speech and defined in America. Hate speech is not tolerated here...

One of the worst aspects of our country IMO. I wish we had millions of people willing to defend the basic right to say what you want.

Re:Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Inte... by danielweber on Thursday July 16, 2015 @02:09PM (#9898913)
> if you attack someone with words, there are legal consequences.

What a horrible country. I hate it deeply.

Re:Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Inte... by keedot on Thursday July 16, 2015 @02:32PM (#9899055)
You're fully within your rights to do so. It's a pretty great place to live, to be honest.
Re:Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Inte... by seivan on Thursday July 16, 2015 @01:49PM (#9898753)
I love that quote, especially since some claim vulgarity is harassment, abuse and bigotry. You're just going to alienate people with that kind of thinking.

How do you define hate, abuse and trolls? In certain countries atheists are considered terrorists. Those who blog about atheism are haters and a bigot. It's justified to hack them to death, imprison them or whip them.

In other countries female drivers are abusing the sensibilities of men.

Who is to say which ones are doing the censorship right, lol.