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Re:Ask HN: What should I learn next? Python or Ruby/Rails? by shippingcomps3 on Thursday December 10, 2009 @03:05AM (#987529)
Rails is ok for now, but it's just a fad.

You gotta go with Perl. You'll thank me later.

Re:Ask HN: What should I learn next? Python or Ruby/Rails? by dandv on Friday December 11, 2009 @11:21PM (#991142)
It's very common to see these criticisms brought against Perl: it's line noise, a write-only language, only useful for scripting, dead and so on.

Thankfully, they are all unfounded.

While scripting has been the use case in the '90s, Perl is nowadays used for a variety of tasks, including complex desktop applications such as the Perl IDE (screenshots), web application frameworks (Catalyst), bioinformatics (extensively), content management systems (e.g. WebGUI), hierarchical wikis (MojoMojo) etc. and powers very large websites (IMDB, Magazines.com, BBC, Amazon.com, LiveJournal, Ticketmaster, Craigslist etc.).

More at http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/Perl_vs_Java#Common_criticisms

Re:Ask HN: What should I learn next? Python or Ruby/Rails? by freebird_uk on Saturday December 12, 2009 @04:45AM (#991378)
I founded a consumer internet start up in 2006. We use perl for everything. Haven't regretted it. The CPAN is just so awesome. Anything you want to do is already done. Over the last 3 years the perl community has gotten stronger and stronger with better tools, more modules, etc. Perl5 has regular release schedule and get faster every time.

That's my experience. Do whatever works for you.

Re:Ask HN: What should I learn next? Python or Ruby/Rails? by sailormoon on Saturday December 12, 2009 @05:20AM (#991393)
That is actually really cool and I am glad, and a little surprised, to hear the perl community is still alive. I will re-evaluate my preconceptions.
Re:Ask HN: What should I learn next? Python or Ruby/Rails? by sailormoon on Friday December 11, 2009 @06:57AM (#989549)
You might as well suggest learning COBOL. Yes, it's lucrative maintaining all those old apps. But where's the satisfaction?

And really, companies are going to look at you strangely if you say "1 year Perl experience". They'll think "why on earth is someone learning Perl in 2009". No, go with one of the newer languages - python or ruby.

Re:Ask HN: What should I learn next? Python or Ruby/Rails? by preaction on Friday December 11, 2009 @03:14PM (#990362)
By your logic, we should not learn C because it's older than Perl and Python (why on earth is someone learning C in 2009).
Re:Ask HN: What should I learn next? Python or Ruby/Rails? by sailormoon on Friday December 11, 2009 @09:14PM (#991007)
No, C is different.

Look, Perl was "the" fad language back in the 90s. No-one is building anything new with it today. So if you learn Perl, expect to be hired to maintain others' crappy sites.

C is different because it's the foundation everything else is built on.

I'm not trying to dis Perl here or anything; I'm just trying to state the nature of reality as I see it, so lower your spear, friend ..

Re:Ask HN: What should I learn next? Python or Ruby/Rails? by Blend on Thursday December 24, 2009 @03:29AM (#1013577)
Perl has great potential. The reason Rails and other newer languages are getting attention is solely because they're new. Rails is easier to start programming in by people who'll never understand the difference between a constant and a variable in their life. Other languages are invisible to them.

Does that mean Rails is bad? No! Every language has its merits and demerits. It's easier for a programming to learn them all than fight for a single language.

Perl has its own strong points, just like any other language.

"No-one is building anything new with it today."

Generalizations. So easy to make, and so imprecise nevertheless.

Re:Ask HN: What should I learn next? Python or Ruby/Rails? by chromatic on Friday December 11, 2009 @02:43PM (#990301)
> "why on earth is someone learning Perl in 2009"

Pick any of copious documentation, more jobs available than for Python and Ruby combined, availability on almost any platform you're likely to encounter, a testing culture unmatched by any other language of which I'm aware, and ~19,224 individual distributions freely available, installable, and usable from the CPAN.

Re:Ask HN: What should I learn next? Python or Ruby/Rails? by sailormoon on Friday December 11, 2009 @09:18PM (#991008)
Yeah, but what kind of jobs? Building something new?

Look, I am not attacking Perl. I am just stating the reality that in 2009, a Perl job will be maintenance. There is nothing new. This might be very insulting but that's the simple fact.

I know of about 4 big new projects happening in this city using Rails. I don't know about other cities but i assume it is similar. Learn Rails, right now, is my sincere advice, offered in good faith.

Re:Ask HN: What should I learn next? Python or Ruby/Rails? by chromatic on Saturday December 12, 2009 @03:16AM (#991324)
> Yeah, but what kind of jobs? Building something new?

Look at the job data. It's publicly available. This is how statistics work.

> I know of about 4 big new projects happening in this city using Rails. I don't know about other cities but i assume....

This neither how statistics work, nor facts.

Re:Ask HN: What should I learn next? Python or Ruby/Rails? by sailormoon on Saturday December 12, 2009 @05:21AM (#991395)
Did you forget to paste in the statistics/facts that show me how wrong I am?
Re:Ask HN: What should I learn next? Python or Ruby/Rails? by chromatic on Saturday December 12, 2009 @02:05PM (#991822)
Start with Tim Bunce's "Perl Myths 2009":

http://www.slideshare.net/Tim.Bunce/perl-myths-200909

Re:Ask HN: What should I learn next? Python or Ruby/Rails? by timbunce on Tuesday December 22, 2009 @07:03PM (#1011126)
Well, that seemed to have worked :)