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Re:Schneier's response to Eric Schmidt by netcan on Wednesday December 09, 2009 @06:35PM (#986900)
I realise that Schmidt was taken out of context for media hype purposes but...

Even in context what he says is worrying though. It is not just advising you on how to keep you data out of government hands. It is also making some sort statement about Google's position.

Re:Schneier's response to Eric Schmidt by ErrantX on Wednesday December 09, 2009 @06:43PM (#986914)
Surely their position is 100% clear: they cannot deny a legal government request for information.

The point it becomes contentious (and something this doesnt touch on) is whether they need to keep XYZ data in a personalized way, and where holding said data tips over from giving us value into causing us danger.

Re:Schneier's response to Eric Schmidt by netcan on Wednesday December 09, 2009 @07:08PM (#986952)
Personalised data is one thing. How long data is kept for is another.

Also, a theoretical possibility of a government demand for data is very different from a yearly demand for data on 5-10 people which is very different from a daily demand for data on thousands. US citizens/residents only or data on foreign residents? International terrorists? Terrorist states? Enemy states? Any states?

Which government? US only. Google invoices have an Irish address on them, btw.

A whole other spectrum of problems appears when you look at this internationally. The US has the Patriot Act? What other countries have or will have data seizing laws? Will Google hand over data to these? Does it depend on where servers are? Servers move.

It's not just that their position is unclear. Where you stand is unclear. People have no idea what could become of their data, what it can be used for & by who.

Re:Schneier's response to Eric Schmidt by benatkin on Wednesday December 09, 2009 @09:04PM (#987136)
I don't buy it. I think it's an underhanded tactic. I think he meant to say it, but to say it in a way that was deniable.

The excuse that people should only worry about privacy if they have something to hide, is nothing new. I think Eric Schmidt is good at recognizing patterns, and therefore must have noticed that he said that while he was taking part in the interview. I know I couldn't let those words slip by if I said them.

Re:Schneier's response to Eric Schmidt by netcan on Wednesday December 09, 2009 @09:11PM (#987147)
I think that's overparanoid. People don't always see these pattern. What you are saying is pretty subtle. Remember when GW Bush sai "crusade?"
Re:Schneier's response to Eric Schmidt by benatkin on Wednesday December 09, 2009 @09:31PM (#987173)
I was talking specifically about Eric Schmidt, not "people". I think he's pretty smart, and smart in the kind of way that would make him notice things like this. Google certainly wouldn't have hired Dubya for CEO.
Re:Schneier's response to Eric Schmidt by netcan on Wednesday December 09, 2009 @10:10PM (#987224)
It wasn't a press release was it? I thought it was an interview.
Re:Schneier's response to Eric Schmidt by benatkin on Wednesday December 09, 2009 @10:33PM (#987245)
It was an interview, but I have a different picture of what an interview is like for a skilled CEO than I do for most people.
Re:Schneier's response to Eric Schmidt by netcan on Wednesday December 09, 2009 @10:48PM (#987258)
OK. I'm back to where I started. You're over paranoid.

;)