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Re:De-Obfuscating the Statistics of Mass Shootings by res0nat0r on Monday July 06, 2015 @09:19AM (#9838878)
Why is the USA then the extreme outlier then when it comes to the sheer number of shootings also highest concentration of guns anywhere in the developed world?
Re:De-Obfuscating the Statistics of Mass Shootings by hga on Monday July 06, 2015 @09:35AM (#9838958)
Correlation does not imply causation. As noted elsewhere in this discussion, there are plenty of other potentially relevant correlations, and as also noted, if you cast the net wider than the ODEC we no longer are an "extreme outlier".
Re:De-Obfuscating the Statistics of Mass Shootings by res0nat0r on Monday July 06, 2015 @09:39AM (#9838975)
I'm not sure how we've deluded ourselves into thinking that the two are not directly related. As other commenters have mentioned, it isn't big scary guns, but the hundreds of millions of handguns everywhere and easily available in the USA that do most of the damage.
Re:De-Obfuscating the Statistics of Mass Shootings by hga on Monday July 06, 2015 @09:53AM (#9839048)
See where I just commented on the fact that our murder rate has halved since the 1970-90s period while gun ownership rates have not changed, strongly suggesting we should look elsewhere, perhaps, as I note, demographics: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9838517
Re:De-Obfuscating the Statistics of Mass Shootings by res0nat0r on Monday July 06, 2015 @10:09AM (#9839163)
The murder rate overall has gone down, but we are still an outlier when it comes to the number of guns and gun homicides.
Re:De-Obfuscating the Statistics of Mass Shootings by tedunangst on Monday July 06, 2015 @10:53AM (#9839506)
This is a strange definition of correlated, where one variable changes and the other does not.
Re:De-Obfuscating the Statistics of Mass Shootings by res0nat0r on Monday July 06, 2015 @12:34PM (#9840276)
Our outlier high gun homicide rate is dependent on our extremely high number of guns easily available to commit those homicides.
Re:De-Obfuscating the Statistics of Mass Shootings by hga on Monday July 06, 2015 @01:13PM (#9840590)
So you're saying these two variables are correlated, even though they are not, in fact, correlated?
Re:De-Obfuscating the Statistics of Mass Shootings by res0nat0r on Monday July 06, 2015 @01:33PM (#9840764)
They are correlated.
Re:De-Obfuscating the Statistics of Mass Shootings by tedunangst on Monday July 06, 2015 @01:54PM (#9840910)
Who's on first?
Re:De-Obfuscating the Statistics of Mass Shootings by tedunangst on Monday July 06, 2015 @09:34AM (#9838953)
Perhaps people afraid of being the next shooting victim buy lots of guns.
Re:De-Obfuscating the Statistics of Mass Shootings by LyndsySimon on Monday July 06, 2015 @10:22AM (#9839267)
I have a lot of guns, and I know lots of people with lots of guns.

None of us buy them beause we're "afraid of being the next shooting victim".

Re:De-Obfuscating the Statistics of Mass Shootings by tedunangst on Monday July 06, 2015 @10:49AM (#9839483)
Ah, so per resonators comment, you must have bought them because you want to be the the next shooting perpetrator.
Re:De-Obfuscating the Statistics of Mass Shootings by GVIrish on Monday July 06, 2015 @11:44AM (#9839912)
Russia's murder rate is twice that of the United States yet their gun laws are far more restrictive. Mexico's murder rate is also about 4 times higher than the United States even though there's literally only 1 legal gun shop in the entire country.

I would wager that a lot of violence in the US is caused by the drug war. Mass shootings are more common than they should be but they're a drop in the bucket compared to all of the violence created by the drug black market.

Re:De-Obfuscating the Statistics of Mass Shootings by JoeAltmaier on Monday July 06, 2015 @11:46AM (#9839922)
But drug violence has plummeted from its high point. The drop in drug prices (engineered by the CIA?) meant folks no longer want to get killed over $50.
Re:De-Obfuscating the Statistics of Mass Shootings by GVIrish on Monday July 06, 2015 @12:09PM (#9840125)
The drop in drug violence could be a couple of different things but if it is correlated with a drop in prices that would suggest that decriminalizing or legalizing would further drop violence. Just like it did with the end of prohibition.
Re:De-Obfuscating the Statistics of Mass Shootings by lagadu on Monday July 06, 2015 @09:39AM (#9838973)
I don't know.

That's the point: a lot of us, including the article's author, are attributing causes to the amount of spree shootings along to the amount of deaths caused by firearms in general to several individual phenomena but there's almost no way of controlling for a myriad of other factors in play, which include very diverse things like culture, political climate and demographics.