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Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by littletimmy on Friday June 26, 2015 @07:22PM (#9788311)
This is so sad. Dying alone is more frightening than death itself. It is articles like this that force me to stop working so hard and spend more time with family.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by ekianjo on Friday June 26, 2015 @09:42PM (#9788733)
> Dying alone is more frightening than death itself.

Maybe, but most people mentioned in the article apparently die from heart attacks, and you don't know when it's going to happen - so it's not like you "know" and expect death to come around the corner. It could have literally happened when that person was shopping out, too.

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by acveilleux on Friday June 26, 2015 @10:19PM (#9788831)
It seems like the deceased in the article had nothing left to do but to wait for that death. Actually sounds worse then the death itself to me.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by dnc on Saturday June 27, 2015 @05:51AM (#9789656)
That is also what I find the worst. Everything else, that can be seen in the disturbing pictures of the place seems to me as merely surface and materialization of the inner despair and suffering that one has to go through in a such situation.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by abawany on Friday June 26, 2015 @07:39PM (#9788361)
I genuinely want to know: why is that frightening? I have thought through this a few times and I did not come to this conclusion at all.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by no1youknowz on Friday June 26, 2015 @07:46PM (#9788390)
I don't understand it either. Why is it frightening?

I also didn't quite understand the family comment either. Whose family are you talking about?

When you are born, you have your mom (and possibly Dad) around you. But as you grow older, Mom and Dad will pass away and you'll thus be alone. Unless you have kids, you'll die alone.

Even if you do have kids, life happens. I know plenty of people who don't talk to their kids or they hate their mom or dad and there is no relation. Thus some people have died alone.

I think some people have this fantasy, that they are on their death bed and there is 3 generations weeping around them.

Sorry, but is this even true any more? Quite honestly for me. I'm quite happy to leave as unnoticed.

Oh and another thing. Friends. Unless you make seriously good friends and not those on facebook or acquaintances. They may be around you a long time. But I have rarely met someone in their 50s/60s that still knows their childhood friends.

So strike that one off the list. I think a life well-meant is what you did with it. Rather than who is in it.

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by icebraining on Friday June 26, 2015 @08:10PM (#9788463)
I think some people have this fantasy, that they are on their death bed and there is 3 generations weeping around them. Sorry, but is this even true any more?

Well, at least here in my Southern European country, it sure is. While there are many more elderly people dying alone than a couple of decades ago, I'd say most people I know still keep in close contact with their parents and grandparents, and they spend their last days (usually in the hospital) with them.

In fact, that's one thing I always found disconcerting in online conversations with US Americans - the willingness to just move hundreds of miles from their parents and grandparents. I've never considered myself a family-oriented person -I've always disliked family reunions and the "you have to go visit your great-uncle"- but the idea of leaving now, when my grandmothers probably just have a few more years to live, just sounds so ungrateful and selfish :|

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by vezzy-fnord on Friday June 26, 2015 @09:32PM (#9788708)
In fact, that's one thing I always found disconcerting in online conversations with US Americans - the willingness to just move hundreds of miles from their parents and grandparents.

In practice, this doesn't seem to occur often: http://phys.org/news/2010-05-americans-surprisingly-mothers....

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by kentt on Friday June 26, 2015 @08:15PM (#9788485)
True where I live as well (Canadian city of ~150,000). I would say the majority of my friends were at their grandparents death bed and would assume the same for their grandchildren.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by intended on Saturday June 27, 2015 @03:52AM (#9789431)
No kidding. I'm willing to die alone, but that's because of a legion of horrible experiences. Without those I would be glad to be with people in are about and who care about me in turn.

I've regretted not being able to be there for the passing of one of my grandparents, and in general the entire family has and will be there at their last moments if they can make it. Not to mention doing what we can to ensure that they are taken care of and happy.

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by TJSomething on Saturday June 27, 2015 @04:51AM (#9789521)
America's a pretty big country. You can drive the 400 miles from where my grandmother lives to where my parents live and the largest city during that drive has a population of fewer than 4,000 people.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by benihana on Friday June 26, 2015 @09:59PM (#9788762)
>I think some people have this fantasy, that they are on their death bed and there is 3 generations weeping around them.

I think you hit it spot on with this. My dad's father died after parking his car in his garage. My mom's father died in his sleep. His wife (my mom's mom) died in an elderly care home in the middle of the day a year later. Between both sets of grandparents, there were 30 grandchildren. None of us had seen them in a few weeks at the times of their deaths. It's not like we weren't close, they all just sort of died unexpectedly. None of them were sick or anything.

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by tokipin on Friday June 26, 2015 @07:53PM (#9788414)
At the moment of death you're having your last memories, so dying alone is like going into the abyss alone forever. Dying with people is like going into the abyss with that company forever. Or something like that. It could be even more subtle than this. I'm speaking psychologically of course. Replace the abyss with whatever.

This may seem odd in logical terms but it seems to be a common understanding, and it's found in movies, books, etc.

[edit]It might be analagous to children who don't want to fall asleep without an adult with them. They are scared by the darkness and don't want to go through something scary alone.

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by e40 on Friday June 26, 2015 @09:15PM (#9788669)
Because death is final and there is no pain afterwards. A long, slow decline is a form of mental torture. I think that's what the GP meant.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by littletimmy on Friday June 26, 2015 @07:42PM (#9788373)
Primarily because it is the mark of a life not well lived. Having family, friends etc are essential to a good life for most people.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by ams6110 on Friday June 26, 2015 @07:53PM (#9788412)
Who are any of us to judge what a life well lived is to anyone else?
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by coldtea on Friday June 26, 2015 @09:05PM (#9788640)
Society. The very notion of "well" etc (and most things we believe to be "good" or "ethical") comes from shared culture, else it's totally arbitrary personal preference.

It's not about "logical objective reasoning" either. Treating people bad for example. Nothing "logical" about it being more wrong that treating them nice (especially if it benefits you to do so). But the culture we co-created and live in makes it wrong (and that's a good thing).

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by ams6110 on Friday June 26, 2015 @09:31PM (#9788704)
Society has been trending towards "arbitrary personal preference" in many areas lately. Conversely, society has condoned and even encouraged things that are horribly unfair. So I don't see why we would carve out an exception for judging the "well-lived-ness" of a person's life based on society's precepts about the number or closeness of friends and family.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by coldtea on Friday June 26, 2015 @11:32PM (#9788991)
>Society has been trending towards "arbitrary personal preference" in many areas lately

Yeah, or degenerating, one could say. It also happened in the last days of Rome...

>Conversely, society has condoned and even encouraged things that are horribly unfair.

Well, it's a balancing act. Society doesn't mean people get a free pass to abandon personal judgement. That said, all those "horribly unfair" things seem horribly unfair to us, from a distance. To their own society they looked perfectly normal.

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by iamdave on Friday June 26, 2015 @08:11PM (#9788467)
Somehow I don't think that's what anyone is doing here.