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Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by baddox on Friday June 26, 2015 @02:06PM (#9786585)
Marriage need not be a "government thing" in the modern sense, with all the legal distinctions we currently have. Marriage is inherently a legal thing, in the sense that it's a contract between people.
Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by millstone on Friday June 26, 2015 @04:37PM (#9787593)
Marriage confers very special rights, such as permanent residency or social security inheritance, that you cannot obtain through private contracts. Therefore the government has to be involved.
Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by swasheck on Friday June 26, 2015 @04:56PM (#9787709)
this is the crux of the issue in that government policy is, in large part, based upon a private contract. neither government nor judeo-christian sects (which, if we're honest, is whom we have in view when we speak of "religion") seem to be able to grasp the full implications of this.
Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by pohl on Friday June 26, 2015 @03:04PM (#9787016)
State is a prerequisite for law, except in a libertarian's dorm-room fantasies.
Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by baddox on Friday June 26, 2015 @03:55PM (#9787334)
It depends on your definitions. If you consider all legal systems to be "states," including primitive tribal ones, decentralized ones, etc., then yes, "state is a prerequisite for law" is a tautology. But today, "state" usually refers to a relatively large and relatively centralized organization governing a well-specified region that is recognized by other such states. Using that definition, a state is very clearly not a prerequisite for law.
Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by pohl on Friday June 26, 2015 @07:24PM (#9788313)
The context that allows a system of laws to operate doesn't just spring forth spontaneously from a vacuum. Rather, it exists because we have a government based on the rule of law.
Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by baddox on Friday June 26, 2015 @08:06PM (#9788454)
You didn't address any of the specifics in my comment.
Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by pohl on Friday June 26, 2015 @11:01PM (#9788927)
That makes us even.
Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by baddox on Saturday June 27, 2015 @12:55AM (#9789173)
I addressed yours directly and in detail. Your claims depend on your definitions.