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Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by agd on Friday June 26, 2015 @10:19AM (#9784513)
Great decision. It's amazing how quickly gay rights have advanced in the western world.

Unfortunately it's still legal in many states to discriminate against employees on the basis of sexual orientation. Hopefully that's next to be fixed.

Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by ionforce on Friday June 26, 2015 @10:37AM (#9784644)
I blame Glee.

I say that a bit tongue-in-cheek but it definitely helps to have gay culture and gay icons just out there in the world, melded seamlessly with the rest of society. This includes things like trashy teen comedies and musicals and what not.

Having equal marriage rights is just one more step in the right direction of having a more tolerant, loving earth society.

Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by surge on Friday June 26, 2015 @10:46AM (#9784729)
I blame the Dean, although it's been established he's not gay, that's putting him in a box, he's much more...he's a politician.
Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by cygx on Saturday June 27, 2015 @05:52AM (#9789658)
He's now known as Archchancellor Henry, you know...
Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by hackuser on Friday June 26, 2015 @10:53AM (#9784813)
> it definitely helps to have gay culture and gay icons just out there in the world, melded seamlessly with the rest of society.

On one hand I agree, but it's never been sufficient. There have been gay icons for a long time (probably forever); Oscar Wilde springs to mind, and Alan Turing (though I don't know if he was well-known to the public). And even with their status, they were still persecuted and ruined.

Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by delecti on Friday June 26, 2015 @04:09PM (#9787425)
I think icons like Oscar Wilde are distinct from the root of why Glee was part of LGBT acceptance developing.

When we watch a show, we think of the characters as people. It helps eliminate the problem of people who don't think they know any gay people. Maybe you don't have a cousin or uncle who's gay, but that guy in Glee was gay, and he seemed okay right? Icons don't trivialize things in the same way, because by their nature they're viewed as different.

Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by ionforce on Friday June 26, 2015 @11:01AM (#9784893)
But it's another thing to be on Fox (the television channel) and on top of mind for young people. Gay is just an adjective to them, not this twisted idea with hateful baggage. Oh, she has red hair and he's gay. Moving on.

It's not really the gay icons as much as it is the gay banality. Having gay just exist in plain sight.

Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by hackuser on Friday June 26, 2015 @11:13AM (#9785029)
I'm not sure what to think. Oscar Wilde was, as I understand it, exceptionally well known, the superstar of his day. He might not have had TV to broadcast him, but celebrity existed before TV. Also, there long were celebrities who were black, especially in music and sports (e.g., back in the 1930s, Louis Amrstrong, Duke Ellington, and Joe Louis), and yet racism persisted. Also, everyone knows gay people.

On the other hand, I recently saw a survey of Americans that tried to determine how their personal relationships with gay people affected their views of gay marriage. IIRC, around 30% responded they didn't know anyone who is gay. That said it all! (EDIT: I should be clear: My point is that there is no way 30% don't know a gay person; I doubt that's true of 1%. They are just in denial.)

Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by ionforce on Friday June 26, 2015 @11:24AM (#9785118)
I think a large part about "tolerance" is actually knowing someone in [whatever minority group].

I've been thinking of having contrived mechanisms exist, basically "meet a gay person" info booths.

Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by toomuchtodo on Friday June 26, 2015 @10:26AM (#9784555)
You eat an elephant one bite at a time.

EDIT: I did not mean to cause a trainwreck below this comment. It was the quickest way on mobile to communicate "all big problems are tackled one task at a time".

Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by jackmaney on Friday June 26, 2015 @10:28AM (#9784577)
It helps if you have a lot of people taking bites at once.
Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by ionforce on Friday June 26, 2015 @10:39AM (#9784668)
Are you calling me an elephant? Now I'll never fit in my wedding dress! /runsaway

(guys, it's a joke)

Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by corysama on Friday June 26, 2015 @11:40AM (#9785295)
Please note that the HN community takes a rather strict approach when moderating comments that contribute noise to the conversation. "Nice article!" comments are routinely downvoted. As is sarcasm, witticisms, memes, references and other styles of comments that occur frequently but do not add information to the discussion. It's a knowingly doomed attempt to hold back the flood of noise that covers Reddit.
Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by sumedh on Friday June 26, 2015 @08:29PM (#9788522)
> It's amazing how quickly gay rights have advanced in the western world.

The irony is that in India right now we are using a very old colonial British India law to put gay people in jail.

Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by taki1 on Friday June 26, 2015 @10:27AM (#9784568)
not to mention how hard it is for gays to land a job in early years education. So backwards! The worst are these mothers. Once they see a male working in a Child Care Center there is going to be lawsuit, that's for sure. Gay male employee at Child Care Center? I hope there will be some progress too!
Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by jessaustin on Friday June 26, 2015 @10:42AM (#9784693)
OK downvoters [EDIT: previously parent post had been grayed-out, now it appears this one is?], do you really not know that this is a thing? Lots of mommies and daddies don't want little Jenny and Billy looked after by a dude. I don't know what being gay has to do with it, except perhaps 'taki1 is telling us that gay dudes are more likely to want to work in child care than straight dudes are. Maybe that's true?
Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by taki1 on Friday June 26, 2015 @10:49AM (#9784765)
no, no, no. I'm all about individual rights!

Each person, whatever their sex is, should have the right to work at a place if they are as qualified as other candidates.

If there's a lady who wants to land a job at Child Care Center, and - let's say a Black transgender gay communist - they should have exactly the same chances. But these horrible sexist mothers will allow only other women, preferable white, to take care of their kids! Males stand almost no chances, not to mention race minorities, not to mention sex minorities.

This is a true middle-ages dramatic situation of these gays. And again - I'm talking on the individual level. Even if only one gay out of the population of 20% gay in the US currently wants to have a job at a Child Care Center he should have exactly same chances as a single white straigt woman.

Wouldn't you agree? I hope you are not a xenophobic racist homophob because that what you are if you give preference to some white woman working at a Child Care to Black Transgender Gay (fe)male.

Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by jessaustin on Friday June 26, 2015 @12:07PM (#9785572)
It seems we agree. I was just responding to the (it-seemed-to-me) reflexive downvoting of your previous comment, possibly because people didn't realize that lots of parents are homophobic. I know lots of parents, and they really are homophobic in this way.
Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by sliverstorm on Friday June 26, 2015 @02:58PM (#9786968)
Once they see a male working in a Child Care Center there is going to be lawsuit, that's for sure.

Isn't this a gender discrimination problem, not a sexual orientation problem?