I spent the last 15 years trying to become an American and failed

Re:I spent the last 15 years trying to become an American an... by chx on Tuesday June 23, 2015 @06:08PM (#9768169)

You know, I am a Canadian PR too and while nowhere near as bad as the US temporary worker situation, the transition from PR to citizen is not easy if you have the audacity to travel. And, thanks to this wonderful new bill, you can be stripped of your citizenship basically any time the government wants to without judicial oversight.

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Re:I spent the last 15 years trying to become an American an... by hartator on Tuesday June 23, 2015 @06:50PM (#9768340)

Waho, that's bad, do you have more details?

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Re:I spent the last 15 years trying to become an American an... by kafkaesque on Tuesday June 23, 2015 @07:13PM (#9768437)

I'm a Canadian citizen (but I live in the US), so I think I know what' hes' referring to.

With Bill C-24, whether you were born in Canada or were naturalised, if you qualify for another citizenship or hold citizenship from another country, the government can take away your Canadian citizenship if it considers you to be a terrorist or threat to the country.

I'm against it.

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Re:I spent the last 15 years trying to become an American an... by chx on Tuesday June 23, 2015 @08:10PM (#9768714)

To quote https://bccla.org/2015/06/its-official-second-class-citizens...

The new provisions allow officials to take away a person’s citizenship based on criminal convictions that occur outside of Canada, regardless whether the regime or judicial system under which the person was convicted is undemocratic or lacks the rule of law.

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Re:I spent the last 15 years trying to become an American an... by themartorana on Tuesday June 23, 2015 @09:37PM (#9769054)

WTF Canada?

The last place I would have guessed would tier class to provide unequal protection under and application of the law would be Canada.

Are they really more worried about the abstract idea of Jihadist Muslims than America?

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Re:I spent the last 15 years trying to become an American an... by 8note on Thursday June 25, 2015 @02:25PM (#9779919)

Nah, Harper's worried about environmentalists, and other possible threats to the dangerous pipelines his friends from the oil business want to put it.

C-51 allows them to brand people as terrorists, and C-24 lets them ship'em out to one of the USA's torture facilities.

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Re:I spent the last 15 years trying to become an American an... by dflock on Tuesday June 23, 2015 @07:33PM (#9768525)

And, I think, bill C-51 considerably widens the definition of 'terrorist or threat to the country'.

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Re:I spent the last 15 years trying to become an American an... by refurb on Tuesday June 23, 2015 @10:29PM (#9769209)

Why is this shocking? Most countries will do this. Look at all the former Nazi's who had their citizenship revoked in Canada and the US.

That's why they ask (at least in the US citizenship application) "Have you ever been a member of a terrorist organization?". If you answer "no" and turn out to be one, they say you lied on your application and your citizenship is revoked.

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Re:I spent the last 15 years trying to become an American an... by stormbrew on Tuesday June 23, 2015 @10:39PM (#9769238)

The issue is it broadened it to a political instead of a judicial decision. Your citizenship can be revoked on the basis of a foreign country's conviction (say... Saudi Arabia perhaps?), which didn't used to be the case, and the decision happens from the office of PM.

Prior to C-24 there was a mechanism for stripping citizenship for treason and terrorism, but the bar was higher and at least potentially less political.

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Re:I spent the last 15 years trying to become an American an... by funkyy on Tuesday June 23, 2015 @11:42PM (#9769406)

Actually most western European countries wont do this. They will try to re-socialize terrorists.

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Re:I spent the last 15 years trying to become an American an... by refurb on Wednesday June 24, 2015 @12:54AM (#9769679)

France: "French Court Rules It's Not Wrong To Revoke Citizenship Of A Convicted Binational Jihadist"

http://www.ibtimes.com/french-court-rules-its-not-wrong-revo...

Britain: Britain Increasingly Invokes Power to Disown Its Citizens

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/10/world/europe/britains-powe...

Other countries include: Netherlands, however it looks like many don't as well.

http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/networks/eur...

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Re:I spent the last 15 years trying to become an American an... by chx on Wednesday June 24, 2015 @01:50AM (#9769883)

French court. Nothing is wrong with that. The new Canadian bill removes the court from the equation.

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Re:I spent the last 15 years trying to become an American an... by mceoin on Tuesday June 23, 2015 @10:27PM (#9769206)

The citizenship-stripping issue is obviously off topic, although I don't disagree that it's a bad law.

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