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Re:The Way Humans Get Electricity Is About to Change by rplst8 on Tuesday June 23, 2015 @12:36PM (#9765766)
Rare earth mineral mining also gets that subsidy as does the manufacture of PV panels.
Re:The Way Humans Get Electricity Is About to Change by mikeash on Tuesday June 23, 2015 @12:39PM (#9765787)
True, but the scale doesn't come anywhere close. Renewables production isn't changing the climate, poisoning seafood, or giving millions of people lung diseases.
Re:The Way Humans Get Electricity Is About to Change by hueving on Tuesday June 23, 2015 @01:10PM (#9766020)
Well it is because it depends on heavy industry to manufacture it. I'm curios, are there stats on the energy that goes into manufacturing a windmill + battery setup vs the expected energy output over the lifetime?

In other words, are they at least self sustaining? Haul trucks and crushers for mining take massive amounts of energy that are currently being driven by fossil fuels. So renewables are subsidized by fossil fuels and the question is how much?

Re:The Way Humans Get Electricity Is About to Change by elektromekatron on Tuesday June 23, 2015 @01:26PM (#9766172)
There is a lot of research into this. The terminology is the energy return on energy invested, or ERoEI. And yes, wind power is definitely self sustaining. Wind turbines are pretty simple, cheap, and tend to last a while.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_returned_on_energy_inve...