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Re:Greece’s Proposals to End the Crisis by TazeTSchnitzel on Sunday June 21, 2015 @11:17PM (#9755976)
> I should clarify that by "hard choices" I mean giving up control of their fiscal matters to the European Union

Ceding sovereignty to an undemocratic body.

Wonderful.

Re:Greece’s Proposals to End the Crisis by drcode on Sunday June 21, 2015 @11:24PM (#9755989)
Well, they ceded the control of their currency to the EU, and I think it's clear that isn't sustainable without more fiscal unity. It's too late to complain now that they have adopted a currency that no longer under the control of their democratically elected leaders.

So the only options remaining for Greece, long term, are to either cede fiscal control as well, or go their own separate way again (grexit) with their own currency.

(But as I said, none of this matter as long as Germany is willing to continue underwriting their debt, which they will continue to do for years, most likely... but not forever.)

Re:Greece’s Proposals to End the Crisis by cwyers on Monday June 22, 2015 @12:57AM (#9756229)
Well, why is Germany underwriting their debt? It's not out of the goodness of their heart. It's because Germany didn't want a Greek default to end up giving a haircut to lenders in Euro-denominated sovereign debt. Greece isn't the only country that's "ceded the control of their currency to the EU," and fiscal unity that requires that the Greeks (and the other countries in financial distress like Spain and Italy and Portugal) give up control but doesn't ask countries like Germany and France to do the same isn't really unity, it's exploitation.
Re:Greece’s Proposals to End the Crisis by drcode on Thursday June 25, 2015 @12:49PM (#9779210)
> but doesn't ask countries like Germany and France to do the same isn't really unity, it's exploitation.

Yes, if it ever happens that Germany and France need their economy bailed out in the future they should also have to give up some autonomy.

Re:Greece’s Proposals to End the Crisis by erispoe on Monday June 22, 2015 @12:42AM (#9756189)
The European Parliament is an elected body. And for the first time, the head of the European Commission, the actual governement of the Union, reflects who won this election.
Re:Greece’s Proposals to End the Crisis by TazeTSchnitzel on Monday June 22, 2015 @10:14AM (#9758426)
The EU has some semblance of democracy, but the Troika is certainly not a democratic force, and I doubt any fiscal governance would be democratic.
Re:Greece’s Proposals to End the Crisis by afarrell on Sunday June 21, 2015 @11:50PM (#9756047)
I thought the EU had a parliament elected by the people of all the various constituencies of Europe.
Re:Greece’s Proposals to End the Crisis by TazeTSchnitzel on Monday June 22, 2015 @10:15AM (#9758436)
It does, but it would be a mistake to consider the EU fully democratic.

The European Parliament's power is quite limited in reality, and most of the power is held by the member states and the Commission in practice. It can veto some (but not all) things, but can't even introduce legislation.

And the Eurozone is definitely not democratic, it's run by finance ministers.

Re:Greece’s Proposals to End the Crisis by erispoe on Monday June 22, 2015 @12:43AM (#9756195)
It does.

Some people like to call undemocratic elections that did not pan out the way they hoped.

Re:Greece’s Proposals to End the Crisis by pjc50 on Monday June 22, 2015 @10:15AM (#9758438)
The parliament is not in control of this; it has the power to vote directives up or down, and that's it. Crucially it does not control the ECB.
Re:Greece’s Proposals to End the Crisis by erispoe on Monday June 22, 2015 @05:25PM (#9761312)
The European Parliament has the 2 powers that defines a parliamentary regime: it votes the budget and nominates the governement. Without Parliament's explicit or tacit will, nothing happens in the European Union.
Re:Greece’s Proposals to End the Crisis by jcranmer on Monday June 22, 2015 @03:19AM (#9756704)
I'm not an European, and I get my information from an openly biased source, but this is my understanding:

There is a parliament, but there's no real pan-European parties. So the parliament is dominated by a center-right and center-left coalition which work together to make up the government. The opposition is largely made up of "fuck the EU" protest parties who pride themselves in not participating in any sort of political affairs. And since the voting is the European tradition of "you vote for the party, not individual members," you tend to have members that toe the party lines (unlike the US political system). The end result is that European elections tend not to be able to effect any change in policy in the European Parliament.

The term I heard used for this is "democratic deficit."