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Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by finnjohnsen2 on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:48AM (#9745116)
"Russian government" and "freedom effort" in the same sentence. Screenshot, print, frame, hang on wall.
Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by Demiurge on Friday June 19, 2015 @11:03AM (#9745238)
I know you're just making a joke, but obviously Russia is not free from vendor lock-in any more than any country.

Even ignoring the context, Russia is more free than US in anarchical sense, as you can do more things without repercussions there than in US. US jails population vastly outnumbers Russias, and you don't need a fishing license in Russia :)

Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by drzaiusapelord on Friday June 19, 2015 @12:15PM (#9745745)
>Russia is more free than US in anarchical sense, as you can do more things without repercussions there than in US.

That is very questionable. Try being gay in Russia and then tell me how free you are. It wont be the government oppressing you usually (oh they will - see Pussy Riot) it'll be your neighbors, employers, cops, etc. There are other "oppressors" than rule of law, there's also mob mentalities.

Russia is also very low on any human/political freedom index. Yeah, and bragging about shitty wildlife conservationism isn't impressive either. Reminds me of the Chinese who are patriotic, then don a mask to not breath in the filthy polluted air they live with.

Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by kushti on Friday June 19, 2015 @12:52PM (#9746068)
How much time have you spent in Russia? I have a feeling all your "knowledge" is from the western media, means you have been totally mislead in this life.
Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by pgeorgi on Friday June 19, 2015 @12:32PM (#9745919)
It's not all that hard to find such examples for any country in the world. Try being black in South Carolina.

[to add: I have no interest in defending Russia, and no skin in the game. However the cheap shots annoy me]

Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by drzaiusapelord on Friday June 19, 2015 @12:49PM (#9746045)
You can nitpick all you want. Russia is ranked 57 on the Human Development Index, while the US is 4 and the top 10 dominated by western countries whose values Russians hate. Theres no comparison here and its disingenuous to play up a horrible autocracy like Russia as some wonderful place, although, its sadly, upvote heaven on HN.
Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by habhab on Friday June 19, 2015 @02:48PM (#9746829)
When I was 11 I lived in Russia. In a small town. My parents had a gay friend - whom they explained to me was different in his personal life. There was (and still is) a well known restaraunt in that town where gay community gathered. I went there few times with my parents. No one bothered the community. - they are still there. What Russians do not like, and I agree with it, is the open and flamboyant proclamation of one's sexual preferences. Keep it to your own bedroom or gather with likeminded people in a "dedicated" place and no one will mind you in Russia.
Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by _yosefk on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:51AM (#9745135)
Hang it near the screenshot of Edward Snowden getting political asylum in Russia.
Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by kaufland on Friday June 19, 2015 @11:06AM (#9745265)
Snowden's status in Russia is more that of a pet, or a trophy -- up for trade at any moment, for a high enough price -- than that of a political refugee.

And he knows it, which is why he's trying to GTHO of there (even at the price of a reasonably short prison sentence in the U.S.).

Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by _yosefk on Friday June 19, 2015 @04:46PM (#9747583)
I was joking (could I say deadpanning?), the serious part being that Snowden showed a need for freedom from US-made software (regardless of citizens' freedoms), and that the rest of the world tries hard to look so bad that it makes Russia look better than it deserves.
Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by adventured on Friday June 19, 2015 @12:20PM (#9745791)
I wonder what Russia would have done to him, had he been a Russian citizen leaking / revealing vast amounts of their classified information. Pretty obvious what would have happened, and it's also obvious why Russia gave him asylum.

There's a reason Snowden would leave Russia at the earliest possibility.

Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by k-mcgrady on Friday June 19, 2015 @12:33PM (#9745934)
They would have done the same as the US.
Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by adventured on Friday June 19, 2015 @12:50PM (#9746052)
Plus or minus some polonium. Assassinations aren't uncommon in Russia among the opposition.

I'm skeptical Russia would allow someone like William Binney to walk around saying the things he has been for years. Or that Russia wouldn't essentially rig a sentence up for someone like Daniel Ellsberg, given Russia's extraordinarily corrupt justice system.

Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by k-mcgrady on Friday June 19, 2015 @12:56PM (#9746098)
I'm no conspiracy theorist but if Snowden hadn't have gone public so quickly I believe he would be dead or disappeared. It's easy to look at the horrible things countries like Russia have done/do but let's not forget things like illegal rendition and torture that the US has done with the backing of other major countries.
Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by ommunist on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:52AM (#9745146)
Believe it or not, Russia today is very free country with very good life for an average Joe, comparing to the UK. And ReactOS story is just another proof of that.
Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by yosefk on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:59AM (#9745205)
Erm... your definition of "free" and "good" ought to be fairly unusual to believe that statement. I think the likelihood of a UK journalist to be murdered by the UK government is 10000x smaller than the analogous probability in Russia. As to "very good life" - while quality is subjective, the quantity of life the average Joe is expected to have (aka life expectancy) is certainly less than it is in the UK.

And to reply to a sister comment - you don't have to be gay to run into various trouble you wouldn't expect to run into in the West, though being one will likely make matters worse.

Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by Demiurge on Friday June 19, 2015 @11:08AM (#9745278)
You'r belief on the likelihood probability is not factual, it's based on claims of a side in geopolitical confrontation, the one you choose to believe, because that's where you live.

It is certainly true that standard of living is lower in Russia, but is better than many other countries you consider "free".

Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by yosefk on Friday June 19, 2015 @11:19AM (#9745362)
Even though it's beside the point, I personally was born in Russia. A lot of Russian journalists opposing the government were murdered, for instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Politkovskaya

When you demand "facts", do you demand definite proof that the government did it (a bloody hard thing to obtain in the case of a murdering government), or are you claiming that the UK murders a similar amount of journalists?

As to "countries that I consider free" - I don't know where you get insight into my thinking; I was talking specifically about the UK which the grandparent brought up.

I have to admit that I'm sick and tired of relativism brought to a point where black and white are supposed to be indistinguishable. Seriously, who'd you rather fuck with, the Putin government or the current UK government? I think we all know the answer. Why are people wishing to sound "objective" so eager to ignore the obvious?

Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by vetinari on Friday June 19, 2015 @12:44PM (#9746014)
He probably meat that "unclear murders" do happen in UK and elsewhere too. See for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_%28weapons_expert%...
Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by adventured on Friday June 19, 2015 @12:24PM (#9745850)
Unfortunately, things are looking very grim for average Joe in Russia. The oil party, and the easy gains that came with it, are over.

"The number of middle-class Russians could halve to 20 percent, taking it back to the same level as after the 1998 default and devaluation, says Evgeny Gontmakher, chief economist at the Institute of Contemporary Development, whose board of trustees is headed by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-23/putin-s-mi...

Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by kaufland on Friday June 19, 2015 @11:01AM (#9745223)
As long as you don't step out of line:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26265230

Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by tdees40 on Friday June 19, 2015 @11:14AM (#9745329)
Which is why you're seeing all of the young, educated, upwardly mobile UK residents itching to move to Moscow. </sarcasm>
Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by kaufland on Friday June 19, 2015 @11:19AM (#9745366)
To be fair, he said "the average Joe", not "the young, educated, upwardly mobile."
Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by tdees40 on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:55AM (#9745178)
As long as you're not gay.
Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by Demiurge on Friday June 19, 2015 @11:03AM (#9745231)
The same way you're not free being game in a religiously conservative population that did not undergo sexual revolution of the 60s. Gay people are not hunted and jailed like someone might want you believe. In regards to gay freedoms, Russia is where US was in the 80s, things are changing.
Re:ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government's software f... by colinbartlett on Friday June 19, 2015 @11:02AM (#9745225)
Серьезно? Нет. Владимир Владимирович хочет, чтобы вы поверили в это. Не верю.