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Re:Meet the wogrammers – women in engineering by honest_joe on Friday June 19, 2015 @09:24AM (#9744495)
This is getting more and more hilarous FFS. Will we have a special group for afroamerican women programmers ? Special group for mentally ill programmers ? Or what about vegan transgender programmers ? This kind of positive discrimination is really annoying and unfair. Using the right tool and right people should be free of all prejudices FFS
Re:Meet the wogrammers – women in engineering by manux on Friday June 19, 2015 @09:39AM (#9744594)
As much as I dislike positive discrimination, I view it as a necessary evil.

In the specific case of women in CS/CE, I think it's fair to say that the lack of women is rather troubling, and has roots in prejudice. So yeah, who knows. Maybe recognizing the success of women in this field might help restore some balance and one day make this positive discrimination unecessary. Then we won't need any special terms and all programmers will be called programmers.

Re:Meet the wogrammers – women in engineering by dylanjermiah on Friday June 19, 2015 @09:53AM (#9744713)
> restore some balance and one day make this positive discrimination unecessary. Then we won't need any special terms and all programmers will be called programmers.

How do you define 'balance' in this scenario?

Re:Meet the wogrammers – women in engineering by Lawtonfogle on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:29AM (#9744963)
The roots are in issues going far back into childhood. Issues such as gaming being a boy's past time, math being a boy's subject, spending time on the computer being more acceptable for a boy than a girl.

Trying to correct this at the college level or later is like trying to bend a paper clip back into a straight wire.

Re:Meet the wogrammers – women in engineering by Vaskivo on Friday June 19, 2015 @09:53AM (#9744711)
It may be necessary, but by being evil should we really do it?
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Re:Meet the wogrammers – women in engineering by tomjen3 on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:04AM (#9744794)
It is just the usual suspects trying to make you shut up.

That said some of the socialists parties here in Denmark made ending that kind of discrimination part of their election reform.

Re:Meet the wogrammers – women in engineering by SideburnsOfDoom on Friday June 19, 2015 @09:47AM (#9744666)
Your logical fallacy is: The Fallacy of relative privation, aka "whataboutery"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_relative_privation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

> Edit: for the clown who accused me of "fallacy of relative privation

edit: sorry, no. It's easy to work out, but as a matter of policy I don't enter into serious debates with people who casually throw around words like "clown". I find that it's not usually worth the attempt.

Re:Meet the wogrammers – women in engineering by dang on Friday June 19, 2015 @11:32PM (#9748856)
> Your logical fallacy is:

Please don't do this on HN. Stock snide responses, like this one or LMGTFY, are a way of insulting someone while ostensibly answering them. That violates the HN call for civility.

> sorry, no. It's easy to work out, but as a matter of policy I don't enter into serious debates with people who

Obviously dudul was wrong to call you names, but these comments were worse. Subtle insults do more damage to the discourse than crude ones do. Please reply respectfully.

Re:Meet the wogrammers – women in engineering by Lawtonfogle on Friday June 19, 2015 @11:21AM (#9745378)
Whataboutism is a fallacy when being used to dismiss the argument entirely. It is not a fallacy when used to state that the reason other problems are dismissed should also apply here.

The difference is:

Fallacy: "What about Y. X isn't a big deal as long as Y is an issue."

Not Fallacy: "What about Y. Y isn't a big deal because A, B, and C. A, B, and C also apply to X, so shouldn't that mean X isn't an issue as well."

The problem comes in that the second sentence in each scenario is left shortened if not completely left out, making it hard to tell which version of 'What about' a person is using.

Re:Meet the wogrammers – women in engineering by dudul on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:26AM (#9744943)
Here, another cool link for your SJW library

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tone_argument

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Re:Meet the wogrammers – women in engineering by Lawtonfogle on Friday June 19, 2015 @11:14AM (#9745334)
>Women are mostly emotion based creatures.

The vast majority of people are emotion based creatures. Logic tends to be used after the fact to justify their emotional stance. Women are socially more allowed to express their emotions, and thus the stereotype that they are more based on emotions arises, but while men express their emotions less due to social pressures, I've seen no evidence they are ruled by their emotions less.

Re:Meet the wogrammers – women in engineering by GFK_of_xmaspast on Friday June 19, 2015 @11:50AM (#9745574)
What the fuck, dude.
Re:Meet the wogrammers – women in engineering by jamesshorten on Friday June 19, 2015 @09:35AM (#9744571)
Yes it should be but it almost never is. We tend to prefer people who are like us and share cultural similarities to us. This means that people who may have contributions to make don't get the opportunity.

So these groups are important. They allow for people to advocate for themselves and to be heard as something more than a lone voice in the wilderness.

Re:Meet the wogrammers – women in engineering by dylanjermiah on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:12AM (#9744862)
>We tend to prefer people who are like us and share cultural similarities to us.

Interesting, any data to support that?

Re:Meet the wogrammers – women in engineering by pepijndevos on Friday June 19, 2015 @09:57AM (#9744732)
Talking about unfair... you know... never mind.