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Re:I Fooled Millions Into Thinking Chocolate Helps Weight Loss by jessaustin on Sunday June 14, 2015 @11:26AM (#9715190)
It's difficult to understand why anyone would ever pay any attention to nutrition "science". Everything is wrong. TFA complimented the meatheads on some bodybuilding site for their skepticism. People who pay very close attention to their own habits and results are probably going to be more right about their own nutrition than all the scientists in the world put together.
Re:I Fooled Millions Into Thinking Chocolate Helps Weight Loss by Mikeb85 on Sunday June 14, 2015 @12:54PM (#9715526)
> Everything is wrong.

I wouldn't go that far... Nutrition 'science' is quite valid, the only problem is the amount of people in the nutrition space who aren't actually doing 'science'.

> People who pay very close attention to their own habits and results are probably going to be more right about their own nutrition than all the scientists in the world put together.

Doubt it. People are often quite irrational about these things. Which is why there's so many people who follow fad diets (and buy the books).

Re:I Fooled Millions Into Thinking Chocolate Helps Weight Loss by VLM on Sunday June 14, 2015 @03:55PM (#9716106)
Ah the critical distinction is paying attention to your body is not the same thing as buying a book. As per OPs comment, I used to lift, its good exercise, and I saw plenty of demonstrations of data gathering technique and analysis.
Re:I Fooled Millions Into Thinking Chocolate Helps Weight Loss by vezzy-fnord on Sunday June 14, 2015 @11:45AM (#9715274)
I upvoted you because even though you're too far in outright rejecting empiricism about nutrition, the state of nutrition science is indeed quite poor and shrouded in mythology.
Re:I Fooled Millions Into Thinking Chocolate Helps Weight Loss by jessaustin on Sunday June 14, 2015 @12:11PM (#9715374)
Of course one can say basic things like "average daily calories should be between 800 and 3000", but even a range that covers 95% of the population isn't right for everyone, and isn't precise enough to really help anyone. Individuals differ not only in terms of lifestyle, which conceivably could be studied, but also in terms of genetics, which no study to date has examined in more than a rudimentary way. The various statistics sins that we complain about on HN are exacerbated when important factors like genetic background are left unstudied. And we haven't even mentioned the fact that most published (and unpublished) nutrition studies are funded by the food and supplement industries!

A rejection of a particularly poor practice of science is not a rejection of science. I doubt we'll see decent nutrition science until we're all equipped with a network of bloodstream nanobots that measures the actual physical response we each display to nutritional input.

Re:I Fooled Millions Into Thinking Chocolate Helps Weight Loss by beachstartup on Sunday June 14, 2015 @12:37PM (#9715463)
> the meatheads on some bodybuilding site

that's not very nice. a lot of people on HN lift weights.

Re:I Fooled Millions Into Thinking Chocolate Helps Weight Loss by pavlov on Sunday June 14, 2015 @02:14PM (#9715796)
I wouldn't have a problem if posters on said bodybuilding forum referred to HN as "the nerds on some programming site". It's the truth, isn't it?
Re:I Fooled Millions Into Thinking Chocolate Helps Weight Loss by jessaustin on Sunday June 14, 2015 @10:11PM (#9717133)
Yeah it wasn't meant as a put-down. Those meatheads know more about their own nutrition, with respect to their focus on muscle formation, than anyone else does. "Meathead" is a literal term for that.
Re:I Fooled Millions Into Thinking Chocolate Helps Weight Loss by reagency on Sunday June 14, 2015 @06:53PM (#9716611)
The word you are looking for is "denizens". No need to slur your speech.
Re:I Fooled Millions Into Thinking Chocolate Helps Weight Loss by pizza234 on Sunday June 14, 2015 @02:24PM (#9715829)
> It's difficult to understand why anyone would ever pay any attention to nutrition "science"

It's easy to understand, actually (I take your statement literally).

Being in shape is not rocket science: you eat clean, you do sports, and you're done. Although that sounds ambiguous, everybody does know what clean food is, and what sports mean (ahem, walking doesn't count).

The thing is that it's a damn hard lifestyle, if one doesn't have the right mindset/(self)education/upbring. Nutrition "science" is nothing else that a stream of silver bullets, which are easy to apply (avoid this, avoid that), so the public wants to believe in it, because it makes life much easier.

It's obviously a deception; but truth isn't the point - feeling good about the idea is.

Re:I Fooled Millions Into Thinking Chocolate Helps Weight Loss by Swannie on Monday June 15, 2015 @03:17AM (#9717956)
> The thing is that it's a damn hard lifestyle, if one doesn't have the right mindset/(self)education/upbring.

And budget. To do properly requires a pretty good budget for good quality protein sources, vegetables, etc.

> Although that sounds ambiguous, everybody does know what clean food is

Not at all. You project too much. Many people truly believe that healthy food is what the supermarkets & TV tell you is healthy. The popularity of the "NutriBullet" is proof alone - "turn any food into a super food"... Uhh huh.