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Re:Goldman’s Blankfein on Skipping School Work, Wishing to B... by melling on Sunday June 14, 2015 @09:51AM (#9714871)
This graph is a couple years old but it shows China's incredible economic growth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_China#/media/File...

By one measure (PPP) China has already passed the U.S.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30483762

Re:Goldman’s Blankfein on Skipping School Work, Wishing to B... by adventured on Sunday June 14, 2015 @10:59AM (#9715110)
The PPP reference is about as worthless of a concept as you could get in measuring economic scale.

If I make $80,000 and my cup of coffee costs $4, and the person in China makes $4,000 but their equivalent cup of coffee costs $0.10 - they'd have you believe that person has a meaningful purchasing power advantage.

Right up until that person earning $4,000 tries to buy a BMW, take a vacation to Paris, or save more than $400 per year.

The last five years of China's growth has been entirely fake. Their return on invested capital has plunged, and it now takes an extreme amount of debt to generate each dollar of GDP growth. Their economy stopped growing normally with the end of the global consumer boom in 2009. They've spent the years since accumulating one of the greatest piles of debt in world history. Within two to three years, they'll be the most indebted nation, with their total debt to GDP ratio already exceeding that of the US.

It now takes $4 to $5 trillion in new debt per year, just to stay near their 6%-7% GDP growth target. Put another way, they have to take on $7+ of new debt for every $1 of GDP growth.

Their PMI, electricity usage, imports, exports, and real estate market are all signaling imminent disaster. Up next their record-shattering stock market bubble is going to go bust, causing trillions of dollars in damage.

The next 20 years are going to be extraordinarily painful for China. They're making the same mistakes Japan did, except they're doing it at warp speed, and with a billion very poor people to deal with.

Re:Goldman’s Blankfein on Skipping School Work, Wishing to B... by dklsf on Monday June 15, 2015 @08:03AM (#9718785)
I'm not sure where you got your numbers for China's debt from. The IMF says that china's debt has decreased (from 26% to 19%), while the US's has stayed the same (~100%):

  General government gross debt [Percent of GDP]
  Country        Year  2012 2013 2014 2015
  China                  26   23   20   19
  United States         102  104  106  107
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2014/01/weodata/weor...
Re:Goldman’s Blankfein on Skipping School Work, Wishing to B... by ucaetano on Sunday June 14, 2015 @12:27PM (#9715437)
If you make 80k and your "average life package" costs 40k/year, and a Chinese makes 4k but the same package costs 1k/year, we'd all say that the Chinese is way better off than you. PPP is not the "cup of coffee index", nor the Big Mac Index.

Currency exchanges are meaningless when you're talking about quality of life and purchasing power, and PPP is meaningless when you're talking about total production.

On the other hand, you did the remarkable feat of using an example of when PPP is being used CORRECTLY (comparing purchasing power and quality of life per person) to argue against using it.

[Edit] Besides the PPP issue, I agree with the rest of your post, China is desperately looking for a way out of the demographic and political trap it dug itself into.

Re:Goldman’s Blankfein on Skipping School Work, Wishing to B... by TimPC on Sunday June 14, 2015 @01:00PM (#9715547)
I'll disagree strongly here if the $80K and $4K are after tax. $40K in savings with an average life is highly preferable to $3K in savings with an average life. Yes there are smaller impacts to immediate choices, but I'd bet on the $40K to have a higher impact in the future. PPP is very sensitive to things like rapid economic growth, changes in immigration, changes in popularity of location, etc. You could very quickly find $3k/year of savings obliterated if that $1K goes to $4K. It's a lot harder for a $40K cost of living to go to $60K or $80K.
Re:Goldman’s Blankfein on Skipping School Work, Wishing to B... by ucaetano on Sunday June 14, 2015 @01:14PM (#9715603)
Make the 80k and 4k after tax :)

"$40K in savings with an average life is highly preferable to $3K in savings with an average life."

Your comparison is meaningless, unless they are in the same country with the same cost of living.

"You could very quickly find $3k/year of savings obliterated if that $1K goes to $4K. It's a lot harder for a $40K cost of living to go to $60K or $80K."

Again, meaningless, unless they are in the same country with the same cost of living.

That's what PPP is for.

Re:Goldman’s Blankfein on Skipping School Work, Wishing to B... by jkuria on Sunday June 14, 2015 @12:25PM (#9715429)
Hmmh, interesting. Where can I learn more about this? Or how can I get in touch with you. What are your thoughts on this article by Jack Ma?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-online-sales-opportunit...

We have been thinking that our first international expansion should be to China, rather than other traditional English speaking nations.