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Re:Never Mind the NSA, What About Google and Facebook? by Nadya on Thursday June 11, 2015 @05:16PM (#9702501)
>So I ask you this: Why is it that a popularly elected and democratically accountable government—the democracy in which Americans take such pride—is more suspect than immensely large and wealthy private corporations?

To offer my perspective on this, and feel free to disagree.

Corporations could (and do) use the data to increase profits - mostly through marketing and selling the data to marketers. While invasive of peoples' privacy - their freedoms remain intact.

Government could use the data for control, to maintain power over the people and could use it maliciously through imprisonment and maltreatment of people based entirely on the collected data. While also invasive of privacy - it has a risk of limiting freedoms or worse. People fear the possibility of this.

It's not that people necessarily trust corporations with their data (most users are simply unaware) - but rather that they have less to fear from companies than the government.

The government might revoke my drivers license because I show signs of road rage. The license being revoked could lose my transportation to work, losing my job. In the current economy and lack of job availability in my area - I'd lose my house. All over a little blob of data the government decided to use against me. Meanwhile, Google having that same information might show me ads for an anger management class.

I'd rather Google have it than the government in my contrived and made up example. I imagine that's why fewer people care if Google/Facebook know everything but want to keep that information from the government.

Privacy-concerned people use alternative-to-Google services like Duckduckgo and don't even have a Facebook. So they don't trust corporations either (although ironically turn to smaller corporations as alternatives?)

Re:Never Mind the NSA, What About Google and Facebook? by ccvannorman on Thursday June 11, 2015 @08:50PM (#9703379)
>but rather that they have less to fear from companies than the government.

Absolutely true. Google isn't going to bust down my door because I'm a climate change activist.

>my speculation on why the "common layman" doesn't care.

I think the common layman absolutely cares, once they understand. It's getting them to understand that's the hard part. John Oliver's "Dick Pick" bit is a great start.

Re:Never Mind the NSA, What About Google and Facebook? by pdkl95 on Thursday June 11, 2015 @06:11PM (#9702782)
Did you miss the whole PRISM thing? If you give data to Google, you are also giving it to the government.
Re:Never Mind the NSA, What About Google and Facebook? by Nadya on Thursday June 11, 2015 @07:05PM (#9703019)
I used Google as an example but it could very well be any corporation - local or international - and unless you believe every company in the world is a part of PRISM or is handing data to the government, my example holds but without the specifics.

Thank you for bringing up this point though, I was hoping someone would (and you can choose to not believe me if you like). Making the connection of major companies to government surveillance outside of the security-minded (ie. people who keep up or are educated on the Snowden leaks) wouldn't make this connection. Which I treat as supporting evidence for my speculation on why the "common layman" doesn't care.

Re:Never Mind the NSA, What About Google and Facebook? by Menge on Thursday June 11, 2015 @07:48PM (#9703163)
I think your overall point is accurate and would go further to add that there is an ironic safety in storing my data with "hostile" nations (or corporations associated with them) over nations that are "friendly" and readily exchanging data with my own.

The US is in fact far more likely to imprison/traumatize one of its citizens over one of its many obscure technicalities (whether actually violated or not) than say NK is to attempt to use data to somehow pressure that US citizen.

Trying to decipher the underlying perspective of the article, I also find mirth in the apparent angst of all the secret agents and their sponsors; they have no idea what corporation will screw up their cover. Joseph Conrad would be proud of our progress even if it is marginal.

Re:Never Mind the NSA, What About Google and Facebook? by peatmoss on Friday June 12, 2015 @09:15AM (#9705619)
That's an excellent point. Private companies that create markets for buying and selling your information are going to lose exclusivity over that information--perhaps routinely.
Re:Never Mind the NSA, What About Google and Facebook? by ForHackernews on Thursday June 11, 2015 @11:47PM (#9703919)
> Government could use the data for control, to maintain power over the people

So could corporations. If they were so inclined, Google could easily blackmail almost anyone. Your only recourse would be going to law enforcement and a messy public trial at which the embarrassing secrets they were using to blackmail you would be revealed.

Re:Never Mind the NSA, What About Google and Facebook? by grrowl on Friday June 12, 2015 @12:55AM (#9704132)
I would rather be strongarmed by a corporation and have recourse, than be strongarmed by a government, legally authorised to do so by a secret court which overrules all other courts, or told to change my actions and never tell anyone why under punishment of imprisonment.

If Google's a dick, I can post on Facebook or Tumblr about how Google's being a dick. If my government is a dick, my life as I know it is over.

Re:Never Mind the NSA, What About Google and Facebook? by fwn on Friday June 12, 2015 @03:42AM (#9704523)
If they'd tried to blackmail me, I'd try to blackmail them with them trying to blackmail me.

Since I'm poor, there is more to gain on my side. I'd be excellent. ;)