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Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by unoti on Thursday June 04, 2015 @12:29PM (#9660323)
Which should I consider more insecure: my garage door, or the deadbolt on my front door? I wonder how commonly lock picking is used in crimes. I've picked a lock before myself, but I have no real idea how effective locks are in stopping people that want to commit house thefts.

I expect an automated garage door opener is much easier to use than a lock pick though, and probably easier to produce and distribute than lock picks. So I shouldn't consider garages as secure.

Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by jandrese on Thursday June 04, 2015 @12:40PM (#9660409)
My parents did the thing where they put keyed deadbolts on all of the doors. So when someone wanted to break in they broke the glass on the door, discovered the deadbolt, broke the glass on another door and discovered the deadbolt, then broke the glass on a third door before yet again being foiled by the deadbolt. Then they broke a window and stole our stuff anyway. Apparently they were professional thieves too, since they were hitting half a dozen houses each day while driving through the state. The cops finally caught them when they were pulled over for driving on expired tags or something stupid. They had robbed over 100 homes in two weeks before they were caught.

The only thing the deadbolts did was to make us replace three extra windows.

Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by wlesieutre on Thursday June 04, 2015 @12:50PM (#9660458)
They're also frequently banned by fire codes because you can't get out of the house without the key. Blocking egress paths is a no-no.

http://ct.gov/dds/lib/dds/safety/door_locking_arrangements.p...

Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by Joky on Thursday June 04, 2015 @02:36PM (#9661188)
It reminds me of a friend that never lock his very old car so that no-one will break a window to see if there is something to steal inside.
Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by mikeash on Thursday June 04, 2015 @04:12PM (#9661722)
I've seen lots of stories of people doing this and then having the window smashed anyway because the thief doesn't even try the door first.
Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by billyhoffman on Thursday June 04, 2015 @03:23PM (#9661458)
About 15 years ago, my aunt stopped locking her convertible. She used to, but people would slit the closed top to reach in and unlock the door to look for CDs and such to steal. A few hundred bucks to replace the top was way worse than losing some change and such. Then she switched to a late 90's Miata which had a lockable center storage bin/arm rest.
Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by bitJericho on Thursday June 04, 2015 @04:09PM (#9661704)
A relative of mine had to do the same. He's considering sticking those scary spring snakes in the center console as retribution.
Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by ahlatimer on Thursday June 04, 2015 @11:28PM (#9663746)
A buddy of mine did this in his '70 Karmann Ghia, which, even if the door was locked, was easy to break into with a belt through the window that didn't roll all the way. Someone still broke the window and tried to steal the broken cassette deck that was in it. This was in the late '00s, so I'm not even sure what they were going for there. That cassette deck couldn't have been something you'd even readily be able to give away.
Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by atmosx on Thursday June 04, 2015 @04:37PM (#9661876)
Seriously, a dog[1] apparently is a way better security system.

[1] Big dogs are not afraid, thus they sleep at night if not properly trained. Small dogs (especially Yorkshires) are the most bad-ass security system I've encountered. They bark on anything alive that comes into 0.5miles circumference.

Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by qbrass on Thursday June 04, 2015 @05:17PM (#9662136)
>They bark on anything alive that comes into 0.5miles circumference.

Which means you get so many false positives that you quit taking them seriously.

Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by logfromblammo on Thursday June 04, 2015 @05:49PM (#9662365)
My parents have two Papillons that bark frantically if a butterfly enters the airspace of their house.

Sit on the couch? Bark.

Stand up from the couch? Bark.

Phone rings? Bark.

Television channel changes? Bark.

Doorbell rings? BARKBARKBARKBARKBARKBARKYOURHEADASPLODE!

In order to gauge the severity of any potential threat, you have to time the barking interval. If it lasts longer than three minutes, there may be armed men outside your door. Or they have to pee. So when you open the door to let them out, the thugs can enter.

Properly calibrating your dog is important.

Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by vacri on Thursday June 04, 2015 @09:11PM (#9663281)
Sounds like the cure is worse than the disease...
Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by logfromblammo on Friday June 05, 2015 @09:57AM (#9665516)
Not really. If you're looking for home security, get a terrier. They are high on loyalty and low on fear, so if they are barking, there's probably a non-packmate animal around. Some were bred to chase badgers down into their holes and kill them, after all. They're anything but timid.

Pit Bulls are terriers, and one reason they are so popular for lower-income city-dwellers is the manageable danger they present to unauthorized, non-packmate intruders in their range. You do not burgle a house with a Pit Bull or Staffordshire in it, period. And you think twice or thrice for any other type of dog. The fences, warning signs, food, vets, and boarding are very often cheaper in the long run than professional alarm system monitoring or contents replacement insurance.

Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by discardorama on Thursday June 04, 2015 @01:19PM (#9660642)
> Which should I consider more insecure: my garage door, or the deadbolt on my front door?

Your garage. Such attacks can be done remotely, sitting in your car. You can open the garage door; hang around for a while, and then casually saunter in. But an attack on the front door requires physical presence at the door, and hence easier to detect.

Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by hvs on Thursday June 04, 2015 @12:30PM (#9660330)
Criminals use lock picks when you don't want someone to know that they broke in. Most criminals are the "snatch-and-grab" type. They are more likely to look for an unlocked window or just break a window.

Oh, and deadbolts are pretty easy to pick.

Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by redblacktree on Thursday June 04, 2015 @01:27PM (#9660689)
Or just kick the door down.
Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by davnicwil on Thursday June 04, 2015 @02:06PM (#9660953)
So true. I once lived in an apartment block where a lot of the other apartments on my floor were burgled one day.

The locks did.. nothing. The thieves simply kicked the doors until they splintered at the lock. In fact, one door even snapped clean in half, so it ended up looking like a stable door, with a lower bit no longer attached to the lock which was now opening freely.

I'd wager it took them a similar amount of time to do this as picking a lock would have taken for someone experienced, and with far less training.

It taught me a very practical lesson about security. You can spend a lot of energy engineering the perfect lock, but always be aware that there will likely be obvious (once they've happened at least), perhaps very course, hacks which make that brilliant lock totally redundant.

The parallels to software security are obvious. To loosely quote Richard Campbell, it doesn't matter how strong your password is, if a truly determined bad guy wants to get at your data, they'll just use a wrench ;-)

Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by logfromblammo on Thursday June 04, 2015 @06:07PM (#9662450)
No housebreaker with an ounce of brains would use a lock pick before trying a bump key first. The locks on your house are almost certainly bumpable. The locks at your workplace might be more secure.

That's fine, though. If you make the lock on your front door more secure, the weak point is now the latching mechanism, the door frame, or the door itself. Or perhaps it is your sliding patio door, that can be levered. Maybe you left a window unlocked. Or your garage door has a code that can be MITM'ed or brute forced.

The thing that saves most people is that there is really nothing worth stealing in their house. If a fence pays 10% of retail for stolen goods, I'm not certain there is any single thing in my home worth more than $25 to a burglar, other than the emergency cash. Rather than take the TV or any of the decade-old cap-rot Dell computers that have been re-capped, someone would be better off stealing all the meat out of the fridge, because at least they can eat that.

Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by davnicwil on Thursday June 04, 2015 @06:30PM (#9662607)
> The thing that saves most people is that there is really nothing worth stealing in their house

Agreed. I lived in a houseshare a couple of years ago where the housemates didn't want to chip in for contents insurance.

At first I was shocked, and thought about paying the whole house premium myself, but then I actually thought about it properly for the first time and realised that the sheer difficulty of removing and reselling my mostly quite heavy valuables (things like TV, drumkit, etc) and finding/sorting though even the smaller ones scattered around the place, would mean that any burglar that did get in would probably just decide to leave it. It wouldn't be worth the risk, effort, or arguably even their time.

I've not thought twice about contents insurance since. It's probably a product that makes no sense for a significant proportion of people (when you're renting and damage to furniture/appliances etc is covered by the landlord's insurance, of course!).

Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by jrnvs on Friday June 05, 2015 @05:23AM (#9664593)
Except when your house burns down or floods.
Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by Houshalter on Sunday June 07, 2015 @07:43AM (#9674237)
My family owns an abandoned house and it's been broken into like 10 times by thieves looking for stuff to steal. I believe they stole some guns and fireworks, and just trashed everything else.
Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by logfromblammo on Monday June 08, 2015 @10:37AM (#9679321)
If they successfully stole guns, then they were correct to break in. Guns are one of the most valuable items for burglars to steal. Why the hell were they left in an abandoned house?

Abandoned premises are a whole other thing. If the burglar has no worry that the occupants will return, they may try for more ambitious scores, such as removing the copper water pipes or condenser coils, or ripping up floors, walls, and ceilings looking for hidden caches.

Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by 15155 on Friday June 05, 2015 @11:05AM (#9665940)
> The locks on your house are almost certainly bumpable

2-sided Abloy Protec 2 elite, locking-thumb-turn deadbolt on a metal door with a metal frame.

Re:OpenSesame – A device that can open fixed-code garage doo... by logfromblammo on Monday June 08, 2015 @10:33AM (#9679289)
You, good sir or madam, are an outlier.