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Re:When will we stop using Facebook? by pjc50 on Thursday May 28, 2015 @07:04AM (#9617227)
I really should flesh out my "why you can't have a good distributed social network" post some time.

What does FB provide that you don't get with a combination of email/USENET/blogs/chat? Branding, janitors, and indexing.

Branding is useful because these things are so scale-driven that you want to be on the one that everyone else is using. It's easier for the uninvolved to figure this out if it's the one with huge advertising billboards.

Janitors are a necessity. Some are human, some automatic. People want spam to be fought, and they want abuse to be removed.

Between those two is the "nudging" of people into how to use Facebook. Why should you post life updates? Because it's the "done thing".

Indexing is useful because it enables you to find people you want to get in contact with using their human-recognisable name. (Facebook occasionally undermines this by refusing to accept names that people are known by)

Both of these are ongoing effort that has to be paid for if it is to scale and be done properly. Hence all the underhand cash-extraction processes.

Re:When will we stop using Facebook? by tim333 on Thursday May 28, 2015 @08:56AM (#9617770)
> Why should you post life updates? Because it's the "done thing".

No - it's because you've done something you think your friends would be interested in and it's a lot easier to take a photo and click 'post to Facebook' than to write to 30 people.

That's really the fundamental function of Facebook and any successor will probably succeed by doing it better in some way. eg. Snapchat enabling you to send naughty pics without them being archived on the web for the rest of your life and so on.

Re:When will we stop using Facebook? by summerdown2 on Thursday May 28, 2015 @09:13AM (#9617866)
My problem with Facebook is that whenever I do something I think my friends would be interested in, I actually do take a photo and upload it to Facebook.

Then, Facebook filters all my friends' feed so only 50% of them see it.

All I want from Facebook is a way to reliably see all the posts from all the people I want to follow, and have it keep doing that. I have found settings in the past that let it happen, but it seems to reset to filtered every time I take my eyes off it.

Re:When will we stop using Facebook? by personlurking on Thursday May 28, 2015 @09:45AM (#9618066)
I think what you're talking about was an option at the bottom of the feed which allowed one to see everything everyone's posted. Unfortunately, upon making the feed endless, this option is no longer available.

Is there an easy way to choose who sees a particular post (ie, the way one sees a display of friends to click on when inviting them to an event)? They should implement this, allowing for deselecting unwanted viewers (rather than selecting for wanted viewers - for those with too many friends).

Re:When will we stop using Facebook? by nemmonszz on Thursday May 28, 2015 @11:04AM (#9618611)
It's possible to create groups of friends and then when you make a post, set it to display to a particular group. For example, I have 'Gamers', 'Close Friends', 'Coworkers', 'Family', 'College Friends', and 'Hometown Friends' groups (with some overlap of course). When I post something I can target it to the appropriate group of people.
Re:When will we stop using Facebook? by pmlnr on Thursday May 28, 2015 @10:22AM (#9618309)
> eg. Snapchat enabling you to send naughty pics without them being archived on the web for the rest of your life

You should read more. http://www.prdaily.com/Main/Articles/Snapchat_admits_deleted...

Re:When will we stop using Facebook? by im3w1l on Thursday May 28, 2015 @11:18AM (#9618739)
I thought it was common knowledge on HN, that DRM, of which forced deletion is a special case, is fundamentally flawed.
Re:When will we stop using Facebook? by tim333 on Thursday May 28, 2015 @04:25PM (#9620924)
I didn't know that - not a Snapchat user. That could be interesting if it gets hacked.
Re:When will we stop using Facebook? by rokhayakebe on Thursday May 28, 2015 @11:13AM (#9618695)
Anything that finds its way into someone else's a database is never really deleted.
Re:When will we stop using Facebook? by notdanariely on Thursday May 28, 2015 @12:38PM (#9619307)
This makes sense, and I understand that most people find it highly convenient.

Just to offer a different perspective: to me, the valuable part of sharing life events is the engagement with another person. IE, the extreme convenience (broadcasting 1-to-30 people) undercuts the reason for sharing: connection.

(I also have recently identified concerns I have with group mechanics, and this no doubt influences my perspective.)

Re:When will we stop using Facebook? by ctdonath on Thursday May 28, 2015 @11:54AM (#9618981)
easier to take a photo and click 'post to Facebook' than to write to 30 people

I'm posting a picture a day. Surprising how many people go out of their way to mention how much they follow & like it.

Re:When will we stop using Facebook? by danyork on Thursday May 28, 2015 @07:57AM (#9617453)
Also we have to consider that "regular" Internet users (who are probably not HN readers!) just want to communicate with their friends, share pictures and jokes, find news, etc. They want a simple user experience that's just easy to use.

THAT user experience (UX) has been the main issue I've seen with attempts at a distributed social network (such as Diaspora).

Re:When will we stop using Facebook? by adsr on Thursday May 28, 2015 @08:35AM (#9617669)
I don't really get the first point about scale and brand, because the examples you give like email are built on open protocols, so it's the protocol itself that is the brand. I don't need a particular brand of email client to send emails to someone.
Re:When will we stop using Facebook? by pjc50 on Thursday May 28, 2015 @08:44AM (#9617717)
Yes, but the choice has to be made to use email rather than Facebook, iMessage, LinkedIn, etc. For some people it's the default, but there is always advertising trying to tempt them away. Email doesn't really have a brand identity.

Note how easily email converges on big email providers too, rather than everyone running their own services. Gmail is definitely a brand. Lo and behold, Gmail is a service that is "free" but paid for by selling analysis of the content of your emails.

Re:When will we stop using Facebook? by adsr on Thursday May 28, 2015 @08:54AM (#9617762)
Yes, Gmail is definitely a brand but I don't need to have a Gmail account to send an email to someone who does.
Re:When will we stop using Facebook? by danyork on Thursday May 28, 2015 @07:58AM (#9617457)
And yes, please do flesh out that post sometime... I would be interested in reading it! :-)
Re:When will we stop using Facebook? by amelius on Thursday May 28, 2015 @07:40AM (#9617375)
> Both of these are ongoing effort that has to be paid for if it is to scale and be done properly.

Have a look at bittorrent. Scale is not a problem. Money isn't either. Perhaps we should have a distributed social network based on it, or a similar technology.

Re:When will we stop using Facebook? by pjc50 on Thursday May 28, 2015 @07:51AM (#9617429)
Bittorrent handles the distribution of large files. It explicitly doesn't handle any of the social aspects of content removal, indexing of humans by name, social graphs, etc. Spam is not a question because there's no "push" of any kind, but people would want push notification for any FB replacement.

If you were to build a system for distributing "wall posts" in a bittorrent manner, it would probably end up looking a lot like USENET with a group per-person. (Long ago I knew a couple of people who did in fact have their own newsgroup in alt.) That would also replicate the problems of USENET, especially with regards to spam fighting.

Re:When will we stop using Facebook? by benihana on Thursday May 28, 2015 @08:01AM (#9617479)
That's a lot of words to say that people use facebook because it's convenient.
Re:When will we stop using Facebook? by pjc50 on Thursday May 28, 2015 @08:42AM (#9617704)
That's rather like saying that people use Apple because it has good UX: true, but perhaps we want to unpack it into specifics in order to improve our own work.