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Re:Mobile app startups are failing like it’s 1999 by vardump on Tuesday May 26, 2015 @09:10PM (#9608693)
Slightly off-topic, but regarding shininess of iphone.

My biggest issue with iOS it has no usable web browser. Zooming doesn't reflow column text to screen width. IMHO, the single most important feature in a mobile phone web browser.

So now web site authors have started to make these horrendous mobile versions with zoom-locked viewports.

Opera is still the only way to go for mobile phones. Note, not Opera Mini, but Opera.

So far this issue has kept me away from iPhone.

Re:Mobile app startups are failing like it’s 1999 by ihuman on Tuesday May 26, 2015 @09:34PM (#9608791)
> Zooming doesn't reflow text

I'm a bit confused. Why would you want that? Shouldn't zooming just make things bigger?

Re:Mobile app startups are failing like it’s 1999 by vardump on Tuesday May 26, 2015 @09:44PM (#9608835)
If I zoom, it doesn't mean I want to be forced to scroll horizontally back and forth. I don't understand why anyone would want to do that.

When text reflows while zooming, you can choose exactly the size that is most readable for you.

For example, if I read while walking, I usually make text size larger, because it improves reading speed.

And you can comfortably use desktop versions of websites.

Re:Mobile app startups are failing like it’s 1999 by ihuman on Tuesday May 26, 2015 @09:48PM (#9608848)
So you want zooming to act like Control++ and Control+- does in desktop Chrome/Firefox?
Re:Mobile app startups are failing like it’s 1999 by swsieber on Tuesday May 26, 2015 @09:58PM (#9608874)
Yes - that's an excellent way to put it. Make zoom work like it does in a desktop browser. The one thing I can appreciate though is double tap to get rid of cruft by focusing in on text.
Re:Mobile app startups are failing like it’s 1999 by vardump on Tuesday May 26, 2015 @09:57PM (#9608871)
Not exactly, but that's closer. Use Opera for Android to see what I mean. Be sure to enable reflow related options. It's pretty great.

The difference is mainly intelligently limiting DIVs (columns) individually to the available viewport horizontal space. Ctrl-plus and Ctrl-minus does not do this, it tries to fit whole width.

Shame that other mobile browsers have made it their mission to imitate whatever mobile Safari is doing.

Re:Mobile app startups are failing like it’s 1999 by jimminy on Tuesday May 26, 2015 @09:46PM (#9608843)
Zooming in without reflow, makes things bigger, but means you now have to swipe to move the viewport over the text.

It can be an annoying feature, though there are other things that can be annoying about actually reflowing the text as well, as a lot of the mobile layouts are already cramped, and as such zooming could cause other issues.

It's a situation where you're given several really bad options, and you need to pick one you feel is most optimal. Locking the viewport to a specific zoom-level to prevent the side-to-side swiping is an accessibility issue, but makes the layout simpler.

Re:Mobile app startups are failing like it’s 1999 by vardump on Tuesday May 26, 2015 @10:29PM (#9608987)
> can be annoying about actually reflowing the text as well, as a lot of the mobile layouts are already cramped, and as such zooming could cause other issues.

No, it's fine, as long as it reflows individual columns to full screen width. Reflowing whole width (multiple columns side by side) is not useful (like what desktop browsers do) exactly because it'd get too cramped on a mobile device screen.