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Re:After Senate vote, NSA prepares to shut down phone tracki... by pnathan on Monday May 25, 2015 @12:11AM (#9598618)
But, he's not wrong. Collect all the things is exactly their mandate. This information is then mined to produce actionable intelligence. It's absolutely what we do in business today, but turned toward diplomatic aims.

I don't see why this is a conspiracy kind of thing. We have a spy agency, that are hired to do SIGINT spying.

Re:After Senate vote, NSA prepares to shut down phone tracki... by hyperbovine on Monday May 25, 2015 @12:49AM (#9598682)
> Collect all the things is exactly their mandate.

Where is this written down?

Facts matter. Especially in debates like this.

Re:After Senate vote, NSA prepares to shut down phone tracki... by gknoy on Monday May 25, 2015 @02:35AM (#9598907)
Their "Mission" page indicates their SIGINT mission:

""" The Signals Intelligence mission collects, processes, and disseminates intelligence information from foreign signals for intelligence and counterintelligence purposes and to support military operations. """

Collecting All the Things is not in the mandate, but it's a very effective way to meet it. I'm not even sure how they'd go about collecting only mission-specific information without being able to peek at the metadata they collect on us all.

I don't like it, but I don't see an alternative way to do what they are mandated to do.

0: https://www.nsa.gov/about/mission/index.shtml

Re:After Senate vote, NSA prepares to shut down phone tracki... by raquo on Monday May 25, 2015 @03:26AM (#9599008)
> foreign

That's the keyword there.

> for intelligence and counterintelligence purposes and to support military operations

This is meaningless without oversight.

Re:After Senate vote, NSA prepares to shut down phone tracki... by swombat on Monday May 25, 2015 @05:05AM (#9599217)
> > foreign

> That's the keyword there.

Ah, but they don't know if it's a foreigner until they look at it. So might as well collect it all and figure out which ones are the foreign ones later. After all, the data's not actually "collected" until an analyst looks at it. It's a sort of Heisenberg-data - only exists when you look at it. While it's sitting in the NSA data centre, it's entirely harmless!

Re:After Senate vote, NSA prepares to shut down phone tracki... by shlorn on Monday May 25, 2015 @01:22AM (#9598759)
I imagine OP is referencing the Alexander quote: "Collect it all, tag it, store it....And whatever it is you want, you go searching for it....."

More info: http://www.commondreams.org/views/2013/07/15/crux-nsa-story-...