Re:Snowden Sees Some Victories, from a Distance
by csbrooks on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @11:29AM
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Are you holding Snowden responsible for the New York Times' failure to properly redact documents?
Re:Snowden Sees Some Victories, from a Distance
by treetoppin on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @11:36AM
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Who gave the documents to the NYT? Obviously this is a failure on the part of the NYT, but given that Snowden talks about how security conscious he is then he should bear at least some of the responsibility for not controlling the release.
Re:Snowden Sees Some Victories, from a Distance
by pdkl95 on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @12:17PM
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https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150518/13193831041/us-of...
And when other people leak far more relevant information? (by topic and by time)
Re:Snowden Sees Some Victories, from a Distance
by treetoppin on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @12:43PM
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I wasn't talking about whether other leaks have been more damaging, I was talking specifically about the lack of nuance contained in the Edward Snowden hero/villain dichotomy.
We can talk about the White House's absolutely shameful wrist slapping of Petraeus, or the leaks mentioned in the article you source, but that still doesn't address whether Snowden messed up when he facilitated the NYT in releasing unredacted information. Just because hypocrisy exists doesnt mean that anytime we critique someone we have to also bring out a laundry list of other people who messed up even worse.
However, that doesn't negate the fact that by having their dirty laundry aired the U.S. has gotten a tarnished reputation. Its given ammunition to anti-US groups, lent legitimacy to other state actors acting poorly when it comes to cyber-intelligence/warfare, and damaged the economic interests of U.S. tech companies trying to have a presence internationally. I will leave it up to you to pass your own judgement as to whether this damage to the U.S. was appropriate/justified/legitimate/deserved, but I think we can agree that it has happened.
Now, to expand on my comment that there are elements of carelessness and narcissism. I think - and this is just my opinion - that Snowden has demonstrated an enjoyment of the limelight, and has started to model himself as a digital champion. I don't say this to condemn him, merely to point out that he is a human who has an ego, and isnt so selfless angel. Second, the carelessness that I refer to is things I have heard regarding failures in redacting information[1]. This doesn't necessarily mean that such failures aren't a cost that is negated by the public gain of knowing about these surveillance programs, but it is still a cost that must be recognized.
[1]https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140128/08542126021/new-y...