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Re:Policing, Mass Imprisonment, and the Failure of American ... by mellavora on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @08:27AM (#9575820)
Ummm, no.

IF this was true, we would see a correlation between gun ownership (or access) and murder rates. If anything, the correlation is slightly negative, both in the US and globally.

Where you DO see the correlation is inequality. In US states, using data from wikipedia, I find a 70% correlation between gini coefficients and homicide rates. The same is true globally.

Re:Policing, Mass Imprisonment, and the Failure of American ... by thucydides on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @09:24AM (#9576105)
There is a correlation between gun access and homicide rates. "Across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides. These results often hold even when the United States is excluded."

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and...

Re:Policing, Mass Imprisonment, and the Failure of American ... by at-fates-hands on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @10:27AM (#9576509)
>> There is a correlation between gun access and homicide rates.

There is a correlation, albeit a negative one:

http://www.theacru.org/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterp...

The study, which just appeared in Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pp. 649-694), set out to answer the question in its title: “Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence.”

The findings of two criminologists – Prof. Don Kates and Prof. Gary Mauser – in their exhaustive study of American and European gun laws and violence rates, are telling:

Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population).

For example, Norway has the highest rate of gun ownership in Western Europe, yet possesses the lowest murder rate. In contrast, Holland’s murder rate is nearly the worst, despite having the lowest gun ownership rate in Western Europe. Sweden and Denmark are two more examples of nations with high murder rates but few guns.

Re:Policing, Mass Imprisonment, and the Failure of American ... by tomgallard on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @09:24AM (#9576108)
Where do you get that information? This Harvard review - http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and... suggests a positive correlation between gun ownership and homicide, both nationally and internationally
Re:Policing, Mass Imprisonment, and the Failure of American ... by Lawtonfogle on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @09:54AM (#9576292)
Per the official numbers, Sweden has the highest rate of rape in the world.

Without knowing exactly what they considered homicide and what they considered a firearm related homicide, these numbers are meaningless. Only a few years ago the CDC released a large study where they choose to define a female forcing a male to penetrate as not being rape, thus resulting in very different statistics about rape than had the definitions been the more common 'non-consensual sex' or such.

Re:Policing, Mass Imprisonment, and the Failure of American ... by mellavora on Friday May 22, 2015 @07:08AM (#9587602)
He got that information from the source article.
Re:Policing, Mass Imprisonment, and the Failure of American ... by Lawtonfogle on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @09:44AM (#9576221)
This is especially true when you look at murders and count out suicides. The effect that gun ownership has on murder rates is a separate topic from the effect it has on suicide rates, but many stats conflict the numbers, enough so that I've begun to doubt it being accidental in all cases.