News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Internet.org Is Not Neutral, Not Secure, and Not the Inte... by ekianjo on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @12:39AM (#9568165)
There's a lot of back and forth between "we applaud Facebook for this initiative" and "But that's not the right way to do it" in this piece. I usually find EFF articles well written but this one was particularly painful to read and not really insightful either.
Re:Internet.org Is Not Neutral, Not Secure, and Not the Inte... by dmix on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @12:45AM (#9568180)
If you prefer polarized opinions you can find that on any mainstream news venue. In real life people tend to have nuanced and conflicted opinions about many things.
Re:Internet.org Is Not Neutral, Not Secure, and Not the Inte... by ekianjo on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @02:49AM (#9568453)
> If you prefer polarized opinions you can find that on any mainstream news venue

I'm fine with balanced opinions but there is no need to do the back and forth multiple times through the same article.

Re:Internet.org Is Not Neutral, Not Secure, and Not the Inte... by geoffw8 on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @03:38AM (#9568564)
I actually respected the way they did that.

They're trying to make some very serious criticisms without detracting too much from the fact that Internet.org actually got off their arses to do something about the digital divide.

I think its fair. They're trying to give some degree of credit where its due, as opposed to an all out attack. Its hard for me personally to agree with an all out attack piece when I'm conscious of the seemingly good intentions of the project (conspiracies aside).

Re:Internet.org Is Not Neutral, Not Secure, and Not the Inte... by zatkin on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @01:23AM (#9568257)
It seems that enabling HTTPS on the Internet.org proxy is what the EFF wants out of the project.
Re:Internet.org Is Not Neutral, Not Secure, and Not the Inte... by pavanky on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @01:37AM (#9568283)
That is just the technical issue they are against. They also oppose the internet having singular entities acting as gatekeepers. Here is the summary from the last paragraph.

    We have confidence that it would be possible to provide a 
    limited free Internet access service that is secure, *and    
    that doesn't rely on Facebook and its partners to 
    maintain a central list of approved sites*. Until then, 
    Internet.org will not be living up to its promise, or its name.
(emphasis mine)
Re:Internet.org Is Not Neutral, Not Secure, and Not the Inte... by Rambunctious on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @02:16AM (#9568369)
Although slightly more nuanced than a blanket YES/NO, it would have been more helpful if there were more concrete suggestions on acceptable process mechanisms for 'limited free Internet access'.
Re:Internet.org Is Not Neutral, Not Secure, and Not the Inte... by nitrogen on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @04:01AM (#9568617)
"[L]imited" probably means bandwidth limited.
Re:Internet.org Is Not Neutral, Not Secure, and Not the Inte... by Lawtonfogle on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @10:13AM (#9570151)
It is like if someone goes to a group of starving orphans and offers them food and board and education, but in exchange they must work.

On one hand, you are helping them compared to how others treat them. On the other hand, you are exploiting them for your own gain.

Even ignoring the morals of offering a bad deal to someone who only has worse deals to choose from, there is the fear that such an actor would eventually evolve to lock out others who want to help without (or with less) exploitation.