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Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by Animats on Saturday May 16, 2015 @05:41PM (#9557733)
This is why you want to get your trademarks and domains set up early.

    arduino.cc - the original
    arduinosrl.it - the rogue manufacturer. Uses same logo.
    arduino.net - Poser porn
    arduino.com - T-shirt store
The US trademark is owned by "ARDUINO, LLC LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY MASSACHUSETTS", whoever they are.
Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by arbuge on Saturday May 16, 2015 @05:55PM (#9557772)
In all fairness, the Arduino name is itself originally take from the name of a bar in Italy where the project founders used to hang out. Think about how that bar owner would feel about this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arduino#History

Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by rando289 on Saturday May 16, 2015 @09:55PM (#9558376)
Trademarks are limited to the area of product they apply to. The purpose of trademarks is "identify and distinguish the goods/services of one seller or provider from those of others, and to indicate the source of the goods/services." No one is going to be surprised that those 2 arduinos aren't the same entity, or walk into the bar and wonder why little computers aren't on the menu, so trademark law completely ignores this, and it's extremely common so the bar owner shouldn't feel bad at all.

You can change your name to Barak Obama, and you'll get internet commenters saying things that start with "in all fairness...", but the white house won't be returning your calls.

Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by provemewrong on Sunday May 17, 2015 @07:43AM (#9559659)
Arduino SRL also has the most official sounding and looking arduino.org domain/website.
Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by imdsm on Sunday May 17, 2015 @12:06PM (#9560535)
True, but the website is shit, just like the arduinosrl.it website. You can definitely tell the difference. Feels like a dodgy website.

I think a break away from that name will do them good. It will take some time but it's for the best.

Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by detaro on Saturday May 16, 2015 @06:00PM (#9557801)
Arduino LLC is the "good guys" (EDIT: in Arduino LLC vs SRL)
Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by leoc on Saturday May 16, 2015 @06:13PM (#9557844)
Well, at least if you don't go into the relationship between Arduino and Wiring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiring_(development_platform) created by Banzi's doctoral student http://wiki.wiring.co/images/7/76/Wiring_thesis.pdf .
Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by vanderZwan on Sunday May 17, 2015 @03:11AM (#9559038)
People keep bringing this up as if there is a dispute between them, but I can't find it.

Not on the wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiring_%28development_platform%...

Not on the creators website:

http://barraganstudio.com/b/?p=185

The Wiring website even links Arduino as a sister project:

http://wiring.org.co/

Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by AceJohnny2 on Saturday May 16, 2015 @05:10PM (#9557630)
I still don't understand what kind of standing the Arduino brand stealers (formerly Smart Projects, first manufacturers of Arduino) have to take over the brand worldwide.
Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by CodeWriter23 on Saturday May 16, 2015 @05:37PM (#9557719)
You're trying to understand the wrong thing. Understand the cost of a global trademark fight vs. the cost of rebranding.
Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by ChuckMcM on Saturday May 16, 2015 @10:45PM (#9558480)
Think of it like a terrorist organization occupying a town and them declaring themselves a new country. The original manufacturer has the trademark in their locale. They were also the primary manufacturer of all branded products, and according to the article, had many folks sign a letter where they would agree to only by arduino products from said manufacturer.

That is sort of like holding the town hostage with a bunch of guns.

From the sequence of events it does not seem like this was an "unplanned" event by Arduino SRL. It will be interesting to see what happens next after the Genuino brand starts getting pushed.

Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by AceJohnny2 on Saturday May 16, 2015 @10:49PM (#9558492)
> had many folks sign a letter where they would agree to only by arduino products from said manufacturer.

That's really the part I'm stunned about. How did they get leverage to get distributors to sign that? The article said "or pay a fine", how is that legal?

Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by sigzero on Saturday May 16, 2015 @05:24PM (#9557673)
They probably don't but who knows. However, now they can move forward and away from their former POS partner.
Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by StavrosK on Saturday May 16, 2015 @05:24PM (#9557678)
You mean that the factory that was building the Arduinos just took over the brand?
Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by gr33nman on Saturday May 16, 2015 @05:28PM (#9557697)
From the article: "Much of 2015 has seen the open-source board maker defending itself from its former manufacturing partner, which recently claimed ownership of the brand, launched its own Arduino product line and website, and has worked to bar distributors from buying Arduino products from other manufacturers."
Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by makomk on Saturday May 16, 2015 @05:47PM (#9557747)
Smart Projects Srl actually trademarked Arduino back in... 2008 I think? Before the American organization claiming to be the real Arduino even existed, in any case, and they've publicly stated they knew about that trademark all along and chose not to fight it.
Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by StavrosK on Saturday May 16, 2015 @05:36PM (#9557715)
Yes, I saw that, but does "manufacturing partner" mean "factory"?
Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by egwynn on Saturday May 16, 2015 @05:46PM (#9557744)
Pretty much, yes.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arduino#Legal_dispute

  At the end of 2008, Gianluca Martino's company, Smart Projects,
  registered the Arduino trademark in Italy and kept this a secret from the
  other co-founders for about two years. This was revealed when the
  Arduino company tried to register the trademark in other areas of the
  world (they originally registered only in the US), and discovered that it
  was already registered in Italy. Negotiations with Gianluca and his
  company to bring the trademark under control of the original Arduino
  company were not successful, and in 2014 Smart Projects began refusing to
  pay royalties. Smart Projects appointed a new CEO, Mr. Musto, who
  renamed the company to Arduino SRL and created a website named
  arduino.org, copying the graphics and layout of the original Arduino.cc.
  This resulted in a rift in the Arduino development team, and although all
  Arduino boards are still available to consumers, and the designs are
  open source, the implications of this are uncertain.
Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by StavrosK on Saturday May 16, 2015 @05:50PM (#9557755)
Oh wow, that's super dodgy.
Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by sp332 on Saturday May 16, 2015 @05:50PM (#9557753)
I might be misreading this, but I think the factory is System Elettronica, owned by Ludovico Apruzzese. http://www.domusweb.it/en/design/2013/03/15/a-visit-to-the-a...
Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by drewm1980 on Sunday May 17, 2015 @02:58AM (#9559009)
I think they should have just chosen some new unique name. "Genuino" is just baking the memory of this schism into their new brand, and comes off as a blatant legal manoeuvre rather than taking the high road and starting over with branding.
Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by reedlaw on Sunday May 17, 2015 @05:51AM (#9559393)
Isn't Genuino unique enough? And it's a clever play on the original name (genuine with an -uino suffix like the original).
Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by provemewrong on Sunday May 17, 2015 @07:38AM (#9559645)
It's not clever at all. Genuino sounds like a cheap knock off, like countless other *duinos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arduino_boards_and_comp...

arduino.cc has stated that they're not fans of spawn-offs with that suffix:

>Note that while we don't attempt to restrict uses of the "duino" suffix, its use causes the Italians on the team to cringe (apparently it sounds terrible); you might want to avoid it. (It's also trademarked by a Hungarian company.)

Source: http://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/FAQ

Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by zenojevski on Sunday May 17, 2015 @09:50AM (#9560004)
"Genuino" is the actual Italian word for "genuine".

To Italians it sounds very good, and evokes images of a "handcrafted" brand.

Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by ricardobeat on Saturday May 16, 2015 @07:50PM (#9558072)
An article from March that explains the split in a bit more detail: http://hackaday.com/2015/03/12/arduino-v-arduino-part-ii/
Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by aceperry on Sunday May 17, 2015 @01:34AM (#9558860)
Excellent move. Reclaiming the Arduino (soon to be Genuino) movement and also bringing manufacturing to the US. Adafruit has been a great part of the maker movement here, glad to see them participating in this next phase of the Arduino.
Re:Arduino Announces New Brand, Genuino, Manufacturing Partn... by CodeWriter23 on Saturday May 16, 2015 @05:38PM (#9557721)
Well played, Genuino.