If you really think about it, it's probably unavoidable. You have to reward an organism when it performs necessary functions. Which is why defecation and urination are pleasurable.

You could move the piping, but you'd still have to reward the action. And if there's reward sensors there, clever animals will figure out how to trigger the reward without the action.

In other words, you can move the sewer but they'd probably just build another playground there.

I view 'entertainment' as a recall to primitive satisfaction brain response in our first months of life. That's why we kiss who we 'love' (eating him symbolically), etc, etc

You could also make the "full tank condition" painfull, without making draining it pleasurable.

Shouldn't lead to addiction, and would work as well.

At risk of being quoted ... that description already matches my internal experience of the psychology of bodily waste elimination.

I certainly wouldn't characterize urination as fun in the sense of "hm, how can I make this happen more often?"

That would only work if you wanted the organism to always reach a full tank, or near full tank, before taking the action.

I'd wager that's a non-ideal situation. Think about the times you've reached a completely full bladder...not a good position to be in.

So you have a combo. Taking a whiz is pleasurable, so you do it when you can. But if you get over full, you get a nice zap of discomfort to let you know you're in a danger zone.

you make the pain gradually increase from 0 to 1 for blader filled to 0.8 to 1.0 respectivly, and add automatic safety valve to be sure.

It's basically how it works right now, no need for messing with positive reinforcement.

Interesting. I would have thought "no longer feeling full" would have been reward enough for the behavior to be learned.

We spent most of our energy to feel full, why would we want to not feel full?

I'm sorry... I could be the only one, but I've never had trouble with the configuration. I don't know if I would call it the worst. I think cancer would top my list.

Hitchens fan?

What? The brain is nowhere near the butt. /s

My thought exactly! (highfive)